Warum verbietet Europa US-amerikanische Digitaldienstleistungsunternehmen wie Amazon, Google und Facebook nicht? Alle anderen Weltmächte hatten und bauten ihre eigenen.
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Because it’s a slippery slope, once you start banning US social media nothing is stopping the US from banning European social media then European digital services and it can easily escalate to European companies
I think the headline answers the question no?
Europe has ASML, biggest bargaining chip out there
i mean, china did that and then everyone including you guys have been bashing them about it since the day it happened saying that it is anti freedom. yes i know they VERY STRICTLY control media but their ban reason was never about only media block, it was only about money and not letting them spread misinformation and propaganda(at least this sub finally see that it is real and not conspiracy theory any more) was just icing on cake. why would they let american IT companies utilize and monetize 1.4b peoples IT/social media needs?
why you think its gonna be any different when EU does it?
Europe has become complacent, period.
Why would they ban them?
Because US will start banning european businesses everywhere?
They have a deep dependency, they don’t have a drop in replacement and they know Trump will throw a huge Tantrum. If they do anything it will be slow and it will be decisions behind closed doors that may influence member state policies and EU initiatives. There’s just no advantage to rage posting on social media about their feelings on the matter.
Though unwinding dependence on US IT is a massive task and cost which is not going to be that useful for attracting votes.
Because these companies have millions of employees in Europe as well, so banning them will hurt the ordinary people’s jobs and livelihoods, best thing Europe can do is to invest billions in its own platforms that already exist and work well, US government gives so much $$$ to techno giants and mega corporations to keep them cutting edge, Europe should do the same.
Here’s an idea, maybe the european citizens should just stop using them
It’s that easy and simple
Banning isn’t a solution but there should be European alternatives to them. I know there are already, but they need every PR they can get.
Because people will absolutely hate it and that would also mean spending money for support, developing and management of new services. Just imagine suggesting to stop using MS services at your workplace and that people need to learn something new.
We get alot of money from them. They are getting sued by EU and they pay.
China was ahead of the curve
Question that you should ask Europe is exactly who?
Palentir is much worse but still many places around the EU use it. One of their co-founders just said they founded the company to kill people on the left and they are very close to the Trump admin.
So what’s the play here the US and Europe just ban all of each others biggest companies? Seems well thought out
The problem is that these sites have become „cornerstones“ of the internet. Something like Facebook, for example, it might not be used as much anymore and it’s mostly filled with AI rubbish, ragebait and adverts, but if everyone you know is on there you’re going to be on there. Likewise, Amazon. it’s such a juggernaut that it’s just easier than finding alternatives – and cheaper, and money speaks louder than principles usually.
The time to make rivals to these things was 20 years ago and it’s hard to come in late in the game and try and take over. Just look at Google Plus when it tried to take on Facebook.
What if Europe started a rival to Reddit? But, everything is on Reddit. So, on Eureddit you’re getting less of what you want, so you keep using Reddit as well and eventually just stop using Eureddit. These things take tme to build up and no one has the patience.
It needs to be done – even ignoring dependency on US companies for cloud/enterprise services, etc, social media alone causes enough issues. Tech regulation may be one of the strongest tools the west has to finally start countering foreign disinformation. There’s a reason Russia and China ban foreign social media platforms and use their own domestic tools – much harder for foreign actors to push disinformation over a heavily censored domestic service vs a global platform.
Maybe it’s because Europe is a collective in name only.
No need to ban them, just subjugate them to our regulations
Because the US was an ally.
Banning isn’t the solution. That seems offensive and might trigger tantrums from the baby sitting in the White Office.
The way to go is to gradually introduce and enforce incredibly transparent (with only humane and non-addictive algorithms), data protected and privacy first tecnology laws which only European companies can adhere to and the predatory American companies will not be able to survive on and then they should pull out themself.
If not then they should be transparent enough that any propoganda spreading can be detected.
Another solution is that governments takes it into their own hands (with private ownership as well) and seamlessly integrate those media with other bureaucratic services to help with adoption.
Well for one they have a strong presence here and there aren’t any real competitors to take their place.
Imagine how hard it would be on both the private and public sectors when Google and AWS dissappear.
Secondly that would be a big precedent that would discourage investments and might lead to many European companies leaving for the US.
Then you have the response from the US, probably in the form of huge sanctions, likely accompanied by sanctions from other countries as well.
And then we have public opinion.
There’s already a lot of scepticism towards the EU from the rising far right and a big pushback across the politcal sphere towards laws like chat control.
Imagine now all people losing access to Google and YouTube, to Amazon and all services that use Amazon’s servers.
What would people rightfully think of the EU when it starts banning social medias and search engines?
What will the people, businesses, investors and other nations think when the EU starts banning foreign software and services, just because we can’t compete with them?
The solution towards the reliance on American big tech is to foster an environment where we can produce our own, on par or with better quality.
They should! Take a look at these subs:
r/EuropeanFederalists
r/BuyFromEU
AFAIK there aren’t viable European options. Let’s take search. Qwant (France), Ecosia (Germany) and Mojeek (UK) Swisscows (Switzerland) would even claim to be able to handle a fraction of Google’s European traffic. Nor do they really claim to be as comprehensive. Ecosia and Qwant are working together to even have something that’s viable.
But search is just one of Google’s many businesses. What about Google Docs? Well Germany has a really good option here, NextCloud. But structurally NextCloud is a lot more like SharePoint than Google Docs. It isn’t remotely designed for universal sharing. Germany has lots of deployments of about 5k users. France’s government in 2019 decided to see if they could get a deployment of 300k to work. In 2025 success. Note 6 years a ton of money to get it up to 300k. No one claims 300m or something like Google Docs is viable.
What about replacing Android? Well Europe did have their answer the most popular phone OS in the world: Symbian. Symbian dead ended and Nokia developed MeeGo. Internally though they couldn’t handle the costs for a modern operating system. There were a variety of issues, that I couldn’t possible do in a paragraph but they desperately need to bring in partners and all of the need to spend fast. Google was willing, Microsoft was willing, Apple was willing. Nokia and Intel were not.
And so on. This is a huge undertaking that would consume phenomenal resources. Do Europeans want it enough? Say for example a 5% drop in GDP for a decade is what it would take? Would voters actually agree?
„Europe“ whatever it is now days is run by multinationals and private lobbing capital. We have no democracy, no tranparency and, accordingly, no accountability. The same polititians that make the threats through their own propaganda machines, are the same that make deals with the likes of Apple, Google, Microsft, Blackrock, Pfizer…. on top of that, no capital for investments, like a unified stock market, capital market, R&D money is sparse and inneffective, and all our best brains go to the states to open startups.
We are just a mean for polititian to enrich themselves while doing the bidding of foreign multinationals.
Because banning Google/Facebook/AWS doesn’t magically spawn European replacements. It mostly spawns higher costs, worse service, and everyone quietly using VPNs while politicians give speeches about “digital sovereignty.”
Because of Money. Advertisement and then Money.
The world (not only Europe) needs to survive one moron. All need to keep cool. 3 more years to go.
Because we own your ass
Oh, how many times this question will be posted to this sub?
The answer has always and will always be the same – because Europe stopped innovating 30+ years ago on a massive scale and totally missed the tech revolution.
While college students up and down the US were busy creating companies like Amazon, eBay, Meta and Netflix, their peers in Europe were busy studying mostly useless degrees largely financed by their socialist governments. The fact that Europe has 50 different countries speaking a gazillion languages and having very different cultures and customs, which doesn’t naturally allow for an integrated digital services market, doesn’t help either.
IT’s an oversimplification of the problem, of course, but the reality is that Europe simply doesn’t have companies that compete in the same space on the same scale as the Americans or the Chinese and banning those US (or Chinese companies for that matter) would essentially mean that the continent would have to massively change its lifestyle in order to be able to live without social media. Let’s not talk about the possibility of getting rid of companies like Amazon, Google and Microsoft, as doing that is essentially impossible, unless Europe decides to live on subsistence farming and bartering for the next couple of decades.
That’s why ban, of course, is absolutely unrealistic, therefore, the whole question is pointless.
The real question that we, as Europeans, should urgently answer ourselves is – how do we start innovating again so we don’t miss out on the next revolution? Complaining and banning stuff won’t help! WE would need a huge step change in our way of thinking and working on this continent if we want to survive in the 21st century and I sadly don’t see any politicians or even the ordinary people themselves realising this, yet alone, thinking of potential solutions.
It’s citizens shouldn’t wait for the EU and Euro’fy their own IT away from the US..
They exist. You’re still on reddit.