Well done, solving fusion energy could solve a lot of problems for people ‘s wellbeing
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There seem to be a lot of fusion breakthroughs recently which is great to see. Does anyone know of a roadmap or overview of the challenges we face to cheap/plentiful fusion energy? How big is this breakthrough and what other challenges remain on the horizon?
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The American century of humiliation is off to a great start. First EVs, then a bunch of other things, now this.
deathgrinderallat on
So in 20-30 years we will have fusion power huh?
Loved to be proven wrong, but I won’t hold my breath.
kaizokuuuu on
And the leader of the free world is invading an oil rich country
BAKREPITO on
A fission plant is a bounded, low-entropy system. The chain reaction is slow, controllable, and strongly coupled to temperature and geometry. The failure space is finite and well mapped. Modern reactors are dominated by passive physics, not active control. When things go wrong, they go wrong slowly, locally, and predictably. That is why probabilistic risk assessments converge and why insurance math is even possible.
An industrial fusion plant is the opposite. It is a high-entropy, actively stabilized system operating near multiple cliff edges simultaneously. Plasma confinement requires continuous feedback, extreme magnetic precision, and components operating at incompatible thermodynamic regimes. The system only works while everything works. Loss of confinement is not catastrophic in a nuclear sense, but it is catastrophic in an operational sense. It trips the plant, damages components, and imposes enormous downtime and replacement costs. That is risk, even if it is not radiological disaster risk.
People confuse catastrophic hazard with systemic risk. Fusion minimizes the former and explodes the latter. Fission has a small tail risk with massive energy density, but low operational volatility. Fusion has negligible tail risk but extreme operational fragility. For grid-scale power, the second is far worse.
This is why no serious grid engineer is impressed by “no meltdown” arguments. The real question is capacity factor, maintenance interval, component lifetime, and cost per delivered megawatt-hour over decades. Fission answers those questions today. Fusion does not even have credible bounds.
By any sober metric used in real infrastructure, a fission reactor is orders of magnitude less risky than a plasma confinement toroid expected to run continuously as an industrial machine. The only reason this is controversial is because people are evaluating risk emotionally instead of thermodynamically, economically, and operationally.
Arpadiam on
The Power of the Sun, in the Palm of My Hand.
ColdButCozy on
You know, i get where they’re going with the artificial sun thing all the time, but it kinda buries the lead with what we are achieving in this field. The sun is big, and not very dense. It sustains fusion through sheer statistics – have enough hydrogen atoms bouncing around, and inevitably some of them will smack into each other with enough momentum to fuse. A fusion reactor forces the issue. Its a bullet compared to a sandstorm. The sandstorm might do more damage over millennia through sheer entropy, but a bullet does its job right this second when you need it. Its way more impressive than producing actual sunlike conditions in the lab.
Glass_Masterpiece on
I hope it’s real. China sadly has a record of science failing peer review but they are getting a lot better. Fusion might be the only thing that saves humanity so I pray they and all succeed.
Big_Wave9732 on
This is certainly a positive development, if it’s true. I saw several „science articles“ last year on Chinese technology that turned out to be complete fabricated / AI news. Have the developments in this article been witnessed / written about by trustworthy third parties? Or even published in peer reviewed journals (not that that means what it use to anymore either)?
SkyboundJet on
What if we can build these on water you’ll have unlimited cooling function with floating solar farms around it.
lordtyp0 on
I will wait for proof. Grants in China are given on number of papers written, not verified papers, not proven papers. Just number of them. They have entire industries set to create BS articles and are published for grants.
Don’t trust anything until it is verified.
goat_screamPS4 on
It sounds futuristic but it’ll still just be boiling good old water to make steam that turns a generator.
Gryphon5754 on
This, and their supposed molten salt reactor. China seems to be on a roll
stokeskid on
Can someone explain to me why/how fusion is going to change our lives? It’s not free energy, it would just produce more energy than it consumes. We will still need a lot of energy to create these machines, create the fissile materials, etc.
I think of it like the geothermal heat pump on my house. It’s 400% efficient, delivering 4X the energy you put into it. But my heating bills are still considerably high, because electricity is expensive and going up over time as demand grows. I don’t see how fusion will be any different.
That is, unless MIT’s micro fusion reactors succeed, and I can buy something for my house for like $100k that will generate all the energy I need for a lifetime. That would be a game changer. But anything at utility scale will just rob us of any true benefits while stockholders in the utility get rich. Citing „delivery charges“ or the like.
flower4000 on
America could be doing this kinda science but our tech devision got taken over by fuck bois with leg extensions.
TAV63 on
People complain about funding. You can bet China is not having a problem pushing funding to it. Their national security goal is to be energy independent.
WhiteRaven42 on
God what a bullshit title. A known difficulty that basically everyone in the field knows needs to be addressed and many are working on is not „thought unbreakable“.
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Well done, solving fusion energy could solve a lot of problems for people ‘s wellbeing
There seem to be a lot of fusion breakthroughs recently which is great to see. Does anyone know of a roadmap or overview of the challenges we face to cheap/plentiful fusion energy? How big is this breakthrough and what other challenges remain on the horizon?
The American century of humiliation is off to a great start. First EVs, then a bunch of other things, now this.
So in 20-30 years we will have fusion power huh?
Loved to be proven wrong, but I won’t hold my breath.
And the leader of the free world is invading an oil rich country
A fission plant is a bounded, low-entropy system. The chain reaction is slow, controllable, and strongly coupled to temperature and geometry. The failure space is finite and well mapped. Modern reactors are dominated by passive physics, not active control. When things go wrong, they go wrong slowly, locally, and predictably. That is why probabilistic risk assessments converge and why insurance math is even possible.
An industrial fusion plant is the opposite. It is a high-entropy, actively stabilized system operating near multiple cliff edges simultaneously. Plasma confinement requires continuous feedback, extreme magnetic precision, and components operating at incompatible thermodynamic regimes. The system only works while everything works. Loss of confinement is not catastrophic in a nuclear sense, but it is catastrophic in an operational sense. It trips the plant, damages components, and imposes enormous downtime and replacement costs. That is risk, even if it is not radiological disaster risk.
People confuse catastrophic hazard with systemic risk. Fusion minimizes the former and explodes the latter. Fission has a small tail risk with massive energy density, but low operational volatility. Fusion has negligible tail risk but extreme operational fragility. For grid-scale power, the second is far worse.
This is why no serious grid engineer is impressed by “no meltdown” arguments. The real question is capacity factor, maintenance interval, component lifetime, and cost per delivered megawatt-hour over decades. Fission answers those questions today. Fusion does not even have credible bounds.
By any sober metric used in real infrastructure, a fission reactor is orders of magnitude less risky than a plasma confinement toroid expected to run continuously as an industrial machine. The only reason this is controversial is because people are evaluating risk emotionally instead of thermodynamically, economically, and operationally.
The Power of the Sun, in the Palm of My Hand.
You know, i get where they’re going with the artificial sun thing all the time, but it kinda buries the lead with what we are achieving in this field. The sun is big, and not very dense. It sustains fusion through sheer statistics – have enough hydrogen atoms bouncing around, and inevitably some of them will smack into each other with enough momentum to fuse. A fusion reactor forces the issue. Its a bullet compared to a sandstorm. The sandstorm might do more damage over millennia through sheer entropy, but a bullet does its job right this second when you need it. Its way more impressive than producing actual sunlike conditions in the lab.
I hope it’s real. China sadly has a record of science failing peer review but they are getting a lot better. Fusion might be the only thing that saves humanity so I pray they and all succeed.
This is certainly a positive development, if it’s true. I saw several „science articles“ last year on Chinese technology that turned out to be complete fabricated / AI news. Have the developments in this article been witnessed / written about by trustworthy third parties? Or even published in peer reviewed journals (not that that means what it use to anymore either)?
What if we can build these on water you’ll have unlimited cooling function with floating solar farms around it.
I will wait for proof. Grants in China are given on number of papers written, not verified papers, not proven papers. Just number of them. They have entire industries set to create BS articles and are published for grants.
Don’t trust anything until it is verified.
It sounds futuristic but it’ll still just be boiling good old water to make steam that turns a generator.
This, and their supposed molten salt reactor. China seems to be on a roll
Can someone explain to me why/how fusion is going to change our lives? It’s not free energy, it would just produce more energy than it consumes. We will still need a lot of energy to create these machines, create the fissile materials, etc.
I think of it like the geothermal heat pump on my house. It’s 400% efficient, delivering 4X the energy you put into it. But my heating bills are still considerably high, because electricity is expensive and going up over time as demand grows. I don’t see how fusion will be any different.
That is, unless MIT’s micro fusion reactors succeed, and I can buy something for my house for like $100k that will generate all the energy I need for a lifetime. That would be a game changer. But anything at utility scale will just rob us of any true benefits while stockholders in the utility get rich. Citing „delivery charges“ or the like.
America could be doing this kinda science but our tech devision got taken over by fuck bois with leg extensions.
People complain about funding. You can bet China is not having a problem pushing funding to it. Their national security goal is to be energy independent.
God what a bullshit title. A known difficulty that basically everyone in the field knows needs to be addressed and many are working on is not „thought unbreakable“.