Nukes are the only real deterrent. Nobody fucks with nuclear states.
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Normal_Imagination54 on
Nukes are the only deterrent. But its too little too late on that front.
Canada’s sovereignty is in trouble IMO.
Uncertn_Laaife on
I never had an iota of doubt. This solidified after Venezuela.
Sharktopotopus_Prime on
We should request NATO station a small contingent of troops in Canada, for training purposes, and more importantly, to demonstrate that the western democracies still dedicated to the ideals we share will stand together, and honour our treaties of collective defence. Smaller countries understand the value of having friends in this dangerous world of ours.
Canada has supported Europe for generations…it’s time we called in a favour, of our own.
goodfleance on
Maybe we can stop trying to disarm civilians now?
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MrWisemiller on
Im sure the gen z in Canada paying all their income to rent and fighting with the entire Indian subcontinent for a job will not mind.
Butefluko on
Isn’t Canada part of NATO?
algonquinqueen on
The case with Venezuela and even Panama in 89 is proof that the USA feels entitled to other countries resources
Unfortunately for Canada there is a lot there
ThicccThunder on
Canada needs to rearm itself in a way that allows us to remind the world of how we got our reputation in WWI & WWII
Instameat on
Who is going to be this Nazi regime’s Poland? Canada Mexico or Greenland? He is saying this stuff just like Hitler did. When he invades and everyone acts so surprised what will the world do then? Venezuela is too far away to be the Poland this time.
ChickenVeg on
I would hope the social unrest this would unleash in the States would be a deterrent enough. But you can’t rely on that anymore.
mypetsrmyfriends on
They’re war pigs. It’s all they know.
This-Is-Spacta on
What have the authors been smoking
faithOver on
Finally. A sensible take.
Of course we do.
Rules based order is over. It’s time for imperial powers to land grab.
History just runs on a loop. We’re back to normal.
ilikebunnies1 on
Guess we will need a militia on top of the nukes.
Agile-Assist-4662 on
Have we built millions of drones and trained operators yet ?
Have we developed or bought or borrowed a nuclear deterrent yet ?
F-35’s are useless to us against the US.
Drones and nukes…that is the only thing that will give them pause.
That’s it.
Right now we are as helpless as a baby bird fallen from it’s nest.
FlyerForHire on
The U.S. policy makers don’t want to “invade Canada. But they do want to exert control over this hemisphere’s resources, including energy and strategic minerals.
Greenland’s mineral endowment is a prime example. As the arctic thaws (yes, folks, climate change is actually real) the U.S. won’t allow China, Russia or anyone else access. If Canada is too weak to enforce sovereignty over arctic territory the U.S. will simply assume control.
In the case of Canada, that means making it clear that we won’t be allowed to develop substantial trade in these areas with those that the U.S. considers competitors or adversaries.
For example, the 100% tariff on Chinese electric vehicles is here to stay, regardless of how Carney or any future prime minister might feel about it.
And that potential pipeline to the B.C. coast? If it gets built, the U.S. isn’t going to “allow” Canada to export oil to China. They will deploy the very same economic levers that they already have, except in a much more forceful way.
In fact, they will make it so difficult for Canada to maintain an independent trade policy that calls for an integrated political/economic union will seem like the easier way forward.
These are just the opening moves towards what former Trump policy advisors like Steve Bannon call “hemispheric dominance”. Marco Rubio even said as much in defending the removal of the Venezuelan president. The U.S. isn’t going to allow any other significant competitor access to energy resources and strategic minerals.
This is what Bannon calls the “Golden Door”. If you’re inside it life is good. If you’re outside, life will be very difficult (for Canada).
Anyone who thinks we will increase military spending is out to lunch. We’re going to bankrupt ourselves making sure the baby boomers have a lavish retirement, and we’ll probably cut military spending to achieve this goal
BruceNorris482 on
Everyone after defunding the ever living hell out of the military.
“Man it would be nice to have a strong military”
hardk7 on
The only possible military deterrent against the US is nuclear weapons and I don’t believe the current administration would tolerate Canada developing a nuclear weapons program, so I don’t see a path to obtaining a nuclear deterrent.
Sammytheseaotter on
That’s disarm our citizens and confiscate legal purchased firearms, that will do it!
SwordfishOk504 on
They don’t need to use military coercion beyond threatening to withhold protection of our norther border against future Russian incursions.
But this is fan fiction nonsense:
>Connecting these dots, a plausible scenario for U.S. application of military force against Canada to seize our oil resources goes something like this. An independence referendum in Alberta – during which separatists receive a huge infusion of grey MAGA money – sees a majority vote to remain part of Canada, but with 30 per cent or more voting for separation. Mr. Trump declares the result is “fake” and that actual support for separation was “well over” 50 per cent. Alberta separatists then appeal to the U.S. for help, claiming various kinds of oppression. The U.S. moves troops to the northern Montana border and tells the rest of Canada that Alberta must be allowed to join America as the “51st state.”
This is nonsense because the US has more than enough economic leverage (and plenty of Canadian useful idiots) they don’t need to march soldiers in like this is the 20th century.
Pyranni on
US has so many ventures intertwined with our economy, all they need to do is „tighten the screws“. Microsoft enterprise alone could do unimaginable damage to our corporations. China is not the only country that can (and have) weaponized their corporations. But considering the level of intelligence in the Trump admin…. They’ll opt for military force.
FarMarionberry6825 on
Only way Canada could even stand a chance in any scenario of an invasion is being like Switzerland and being able to mobilize 66% to 70% of the population 18-65 year olds, that will never happen because military conscription is frowned upon in Canada and the politicians are constantly trying to ban firearms from lawful people as well as trying to train the Canadian public through media to be scared shitless of firearms.
Stunning_Ad3273 on
I wish Air Farce was back on the air just to have the Pierre press conference about this subject
BernardMatthewsNorf on
The defeatism here masquerading as realism here is sickening (or else it’s hostile propaganda). Toughen the fuck up. We are defeated in the mind, so steel you minds and imagine a victory… even if it would take time.
Yes, the US is tactically proficient and could execute an invasion or decapitation strike. But an attack on Canada would unleash things not even conceivable at this juncture. It would invite rebellion in the US forces. There would be an insurgency. Canada would have allies in the US. They would have to crack down on their own population hard in the name of security – this won’t go well. There would be partisan activity in their homeland and occupying forces would start dying violently. It wouldn’t be keyboard warriors doing this (although there is a role to play there too), it would be the tough, resilient Canadians that are actually everywhere – Ukraine can do it and so can Canada.
Want to do something? Call and write to your MPs about sensible firearms policy and preparedness measures. Join your local reserve unit. Get into outdoor activities. Connect with sympathetic Americans. A wise person in times of peace prepares for war. Those preparations collectively become the deterrence factors that actually reduce the risk of conflict.
THE_PARKER13 on
About 50 or so years too late for this. It’s so foolish to even consider this as an option, or a deterrent.
If the U.S. wanted to invade Canada militarily, it’d be over in hours.
PissedOffinCanada on
We need to do what Norway is doing. They are building 300 new shooting ranges so a civillian can defend against Russia.
wannabeashotcaller on
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laughingatreddit on
Which is why we need to arm and nuke up. Canada vs US in economic might is no more extreme than Pakistan vs India or North Korea vs South Korea, but Pakistan and North Korea are nuke armed and enough of a porcupine that India and South Korea can only sit on their haunches and pout. Both of the lesser countries are inferior in every metric of economic and military might but they are uninvadable without it leading to Mutually Assured Destruction.
EruditeTarington on
I don’t see it happening, but I thought no way would they do x…I’m sorry Canada
Minimum-Style-1411 on
At this juncture of history, all nations should suspect any American as a potential hostile. From Columbia to Greenland, the threats have been voiced by Trump and immediately endorsed by his cabal of sycophants
shartmonsters on
Something that may not be obvious to anyone outside of Saskatchewan is that there are nuclear powers, particularly France and the UK, that have a very vested interested in protecting their primary source of fissionable material.
When Trump first started commenting about making Canada the 51st state, the media made light of the fact that France parked a nuclear sub off the coast of Nova Scotia, saying that it was a routine stop. It was not a routine stop. France’s government helped develop and owns a good portion of the uranium in northern Saskatchewan as well as a portion of the processing capabilities in Ontario.
Crossing the ocean to help defend Canada, in case of attack, will not be a problem for either the UK or France as they already have military units in the country and nuclear-equipped naval assets nearby.
This idea that we are alone against the goliath of the United States is laughable. We may not have nuclear weapons de jure, but we have them de facto through our allies. No one is taking our uranium without a fight.
anactualalien on
All of this fear porn hinges on treating the Maduro regime like our peers. This isn’t the first time the US interfered in a failed state and it won’t be the last. Canada isn’t one for the time being.
ViagraDaddy on
Can we stop with inane propaganda please.
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Nukes are the only real deterrent. Nobody fucks with nuclear states.
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Nukes are the only deterrent. But its too little too late on that front.
Canada’s sovereignty is in trouble IMO.
I never had an iota of doubt. This solidified after Venezuela.
We should request NATO station a small contingent of troops in Canada, for training purposes, and more importantly, to demonstrate that the western democracies still dedicated to the ideals we share will stand together, and honour our treaties of collective defence. Smaller countries understand the value of having friends in this dangerous world of ours.
Canada has supported Europe for generations…it’s time we called in a favour, of our own.
Maybe we can stop trying to disarm civilians now?
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Im sure the gen z in Canada paying all their income to rent and fighting with the entire Indian subcontinent for a job will not mind.
Isn’t Canada part of NATO?
The case with Venezuela and even Panama in 89 is proof that the USA feels entitled to other countries resources
Unfortunately for Canada there is a lot there
Canada needs to rearm itself in a way that allows us to remind the world of how we got our reputation in WWI & WWII
Who is going to be this Nazi regime’s Poland? Canada Mexico or Greenland? He is saying this stuff just like Hitler did. When he invades and everyone acts so surprised what will the world do then? Venezuela is too far away to be the Poland this time.
I would hope the social unrest this would unleash in the States would be a deterrent enough. But you can’t rely on that anymore.
They’re war pigs. It’s all they know.
What have the authors been smoking
Finally. A sensible take.
Of course we do.
Rules based order is over. It’s time for imperial powers to land grab.
History just runs on a loop. We’re back to normal.
Guess we will need a militia on top of the nukes.
Have we built millions of drones and trained operators yet ?
Have we developed or bought or borrowed a nuclear deterrent yet ?
F-35’s are useless to us against the US.
Drones and nukes…that is the only thing that will give them pause.
That’s it.
Right now we are as helpless as a baby bird fallen from it’s nest.
The U.S. policy makers don’t want to “invade Canada. But they do want to exert control over this hemisphere’s resources, including energy and strategic minerals.
Greenland’s mineral endowment is a prime example. As the arctic thaws (yes, folks, climate change is actually real) the U.S. won’t allow China, Russia or anyone else access. If Canada is too weak to enforce sovereignty over arctic territory the U.S. will simply assume control.
In the case of Canada, that means making it clear that we won’t be allowed to develop substantial trade in these areas with those that the U.S. considers competitors or adversaries.
For example, the 100% tariff on Chinese electric vehicles is here to stay, regardless of how Carney or any future prime minister might feel about it.
And that potential pipeline to the B.C. coast? If it gets built, the U.S. isn’t going to “allow” Canada to export oil to China. They will deploy the very same economic levers that they already have, except in a much more forceful way.
In fact, they will make it so difficult for Canada to maintain an independent trade policy that calls for an integrated political/economic union will seem like the easier way forward.
These are just the opening moves towards what former Trump policy advisors like Steve Bannon call “hemispheric dominance”. Marco Rubio even said as much in defending the removal of the Venezuelan president. The U.S. isn’t going to allow any other significant competitor access to energy resources and strategic minerals.
This is what Bannon calls the “Golden Door”. If you’re inside it life is good. If you’re outside, life will be very difficult (for Canada).
Here he is explaining things last year:
https://globalnews.ca/news/11005023/steve-bannon-donald-trump-tariffs-canada-arctic-interview/
Anyone who thinks we will increase military spending is out to lunch. We’re going to bankrupt ourselves making sure the baby boomers have a lavish retirement, and we’ll probably cut military spending to achieve this goal
Everyone after defunding the ever living hell out of the military.
“Man it would be nice to have a strong military”
The only possible military deterrent against the US is nuclear weapons and I don’t believe the current administration would tolerate Canada developing a nuclear weapons program, so I don’t see a path to obtaining a nuclear deterrent.
That’s disarm our citizens and confiscate legal purchased firearms, that will do it!
They don’t need to use military coercion beyond threatening to withhold protection of our norther border against future Russian incursions.
But this is fan fiction nonsense:
>Connecting these dots, a plausible scenario for U.S. application of military force against Canada to seize our oil resources goes something like this. An independence referendum in Alberta – during which separatists receive a huge infusion of grey MAGA money – sees a majority vote to remain part of Canada, but with 30 per cent or more voting for separation. Mr. Trump declares the result is “fake” and that actual support for separation was “well over” 50 per cent. Alberta separatists then appeal to the U.S. for help, claiming various kinds of oppression. The U.S. moves troops to the northern Montana border and tells the rest of Canada that Alberta must be allowed to join America as the “51st state.”
This is nonsense because the US has more than enough economic leverage (and plenty of Canadian useful idiots) they don’t need to march soldiers in like this is the 20th century.
US has so many ventures intertwined with our economy, all they need to do is „tighten the screws“. Microsoft enterprise alone could do unimaginable damage to our corporations. China is not the only country that can (and have) weaponized their corporations. But considering the level of intelligence in the Trump admin…. They’ll opt for military force.
Only way Canada could even stand a chance in any scenario of an invasion is being like Switzerland and being able to mobilize 66% to 70% of the population 18-65 year olds, that will never happen because military conscription is frowned upon in Canada and the politicians are constantly trying to ban firearms from lawful people as well as trying to train the Canadian public through media to be scared shitless of firearms.
I wish Air Farce was back on the air just to have the Pierre press conference about this subject
The defeatism here masquerading as realism here is sickening (or else it’s hostile propaganda). Toughen the fuck up. We are defeated in the mind, so steel you minds and imagine a victory… even if it would take time.
Yes, the US is tactically proficient and could execute an invasion or decapitation strike. But an attack on Canada would unleash things not even conceivable at this juncture. It would invite rebellion in the US forces. There would be an insurgency. Canada would have allies in the US. They would have to crack down on their own population hard in the name of security – this won’t go well. There would be partisan activity in their homeland and occupying forces would start dying violently. It wouldn’t be keyboard warriors doing this (although there is a role to play there too), it would be the tough, resilient Canadians that are actually everywhere – Ukraine can do it and so can Canada.
Want to do something? Call and write to your MPs about sensible firearms policy and preparedness measures. Join your local reserve unit. Get into outdoor activities. Connect with sympathetic Americans. A wise person in times of peace prepares for war. Those preparations collectively become the deterrence factors that actually reduce the risk of conflict.
About 50 or so years too late for this. It’s so foolish to even consider this as an option, or a deterrent.
If the U.S. wanted to invade Canada militarily, it’d be over in hours.
We need to do what Norway is doing. They are building 300 new shooting ranges so a civillian can defend against Russia.
Why is a post that requires payment even allowed on this sub?
Which is why we need to arm and nuke up. Canada vs US in economic might is no more extreme than Pakistan vs India or North Korea vs South Korea, but Pakistan and North Korea are nuke armed and enough of a porcupine that India and South Korea can only sit on their haunches and pout. Both of the lesser countries are inferior in every metric of economic and military might but they are uninvadable without it leading to Mutually Assured Destruction.
I don’t see it happening, but I thought no way would they do x…I’m sorry Canada
At this juncture of history, all nations should suspect any American as a potential hostile. From Columbia to Greenland, the threats have been voiced by Trump and immediately endorsed by his cabal of sycophants
Something that may not be obvious to anyone outside of Saskatchewan is that there are nuclear powers, particularly France and the UK, that have a very vested interested in protecting their primary source of fissionable material.
When Trump first started commenting about making Canada the 51st state, the media made light of the fact that France parked a nuclear sub off the coast of Nova Scotia, saying that it was a routine stop. It was not a routine stop. France’s government helped develop and owns a good portion of the uranium in northern Saskatchewan as well as a portion of the processing capabilities in Ontario.
Crossing the ocean to help defend Canada, in case of attack, will not be a problem for either the UK or France as they already have military units in the country and nuclear-equipped naval assets nearby.
This idea that we are alone against the goliath of the United States is laughable. We may not have nuclear weapons de jure, but we have them de facto through our allies. No one is taking our uranium without a fight.
All of this fear porn hinges on treating the Maduro regime like our peers. This isn’t the first time the US interfered in a failed state and it won’t be the last. Canada isn’t one for the time being.
Can we stop with inane propaganda please.