What are the student ratios that go to that school?
Silent-Composer-873 on
Say 1000 white dudes, 300 black dudes, 300 girls, I can see this being normal if thats why?
But why are they sorting by minorities? Aren’t we all equal these days?
throwawayt44c on
First they came for the Harvard douchebags , but I said nothing for I am not a Harvard douchebag.
Legal_Talk_3847 on
„Hey you know that thing where people tend to ignore minority sounding names in applications and whatnot? Maybe we should take action to stop that so everyone gets a fair shake?“
Man, this isn’t racism, it’s ‚we’re aware how people think about minorities and want to balance things out‘
In that year, 65% of the country was non-Jewish White, 70%of Nation Merit Scholars were non-Jewish White, but only 18% of students at Harvard were (and 40% of the 18% are legacies)
Basically, if you’re not a legacy or Jewish and White, you’re redlined out
Notable is that the engineering schools like MIT, Caltech and the University of California don’t have the same trend
vitolepore on
this is called affirmative action in practice
MazdaProphet on
SS
Most of the time they just say this stuff to each other
Harvard was so sure they were untouchable they put it in writing
When a university puts a race-based policy in writing, it can face significant penalties, especially if the policy is deemed to violate federal laws or the U.S. Constitution. Here are some potential consequences:
– *Loss of Federal Funding*: Universities that receive federal financial assistance may lose funding if their policies are found to discriminate based on race, in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
– *Legal Liability*: Universities may face lawsuits from individuals who claim they were harmed by the policy, potentially resulting in financial damages or court orders to change the policy.
– *Reputational Damage*: Implementing discriminatory policies can harm a university’s reputation, making it harder to attract students, faculty, and funding.
– *Compliance Requirements*: Universities may be required to implement new policies, training, or oversight mechanisms to ensure compliance with federal laws and regulations.
The Supreme Court has ruled that race-conscious admissions policies must meet strict scrutiny standards, meaning they must further a compelling government interest and be narrowly tailored to achieve that interest
Ok_Interview4917 on
This is anti-oppressive practice. This is not “anti-white people”. This is “let’s give historically oppressed populations a fair chance without having bias get in the way”. Unconscious bias (that leans white supremacist in majority of people) is a real thing.
AffectionateSun8548 on
Shhhh you can’t say that on Reddit, anything leftist is always right. Thinks are really black and white and no room for nuance or conversation
itsnotcalledchads on
it’s not supposed to be fair it’s supposed to be equitable. Calling it “racist” to prioritize women’s and minority applications is willful ignorance dressed up as concern for fairness. White men got such a head start they wrote the rules, controlled the gates, and then declared the results “merit-based.” Equal treatment in a system built on inequality is just preservation of power with better PR. Equity is the bare minimum correction after centuries of exclusion, not some radical punishment. If that threatens you, it’s because you were never competing on equal ground to begin with
Primate98 on
When Trump wanted to defund Harvard and other universities on the pretext that they allowed anti-Israel speech, I could not believe how many people thought it was completely unacceptable that these dirtbags would not be handed millions and billions of taxpayer money.
Of course, these same people will say it’s all irrelevant and unconnected rather than admit that they could not see through one single layer of Trump’s subterfuge. No wonder the public is so easily manipulated when everyone would rather be righteously outraged.
FizzyGoose666 on
Wouldn’t the most logical options be blind pick based on merit (no race sex or name attached) or seek to fit demographic percentages?
NotReallyFromTheUK on
Equality looks like oppression to the oppressor.
anasfkhan81 on
what about legacy admissions? you gonna get pissed about that too?
0x446f6b3832 on
I do worry that with more and more companies using AI that biases like this will be inherent. Just imagine if every large corporation stopped reading the resumes of a certain race.
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What are the student ratios that go to that school?
Say 1000 white dudes, 300 black dudes, 300 girls, I can see this being normal if thats why?
But why are they sorting by minorities? Aren’t we all equal these days?
First they came for the Harvard douchebags , but I said nothing for I am not a Harvard douchebag.
„Hey you know that thing where people tend to ignore minority sounding names in applications and whatnot? Maybe we should take action to stop that so everyone gets a fair shake?“
Man, this isn’t racism, it’s ‚we’re aware how people think about minorities and want to balance things out‘
This study is from 2011, but not much has changed since then: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/pdf/The%20Myth%20of%20American%20Meritocracy-Unz.pdf
In that year, 65% of the country was non-Jewish White, 70%of Nation Merit Scholars were non-Jewish White, but only 18% of students at Harvard were (and 40% of the 18% are legacies)
Basically, if you’re not a legacy or Jewish and White, you’re redlined out
Notable is that the engineering schools like MIT, Caltech and the University of California don’t have the same trend
this is called affirmative action in practice
SS
Most of the time they just say this stuff to each other
Harvard was so sure they were untouchable they put it in writing
When a university puts a race-based policy in writing, it can face significant penalties, especially if the policy is deemed to violate federal laws or the U.S. Constitution. Here are some potential consequences:
– *Loss of Federal Funding*: Universities that receive federal financial assistance may lose funding if their policies are found to discriminate based on race, in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
– *Legal Liability*: Universities may face lawsuits from individuals who claim they were harmed by the policy, potentially resulting in financial damages or court orders to change the policy.
– *Reputational Damage*: Implementing discriminatory policies can harm a university’s reputation, making it harder to attract students, faculty, and funding.
– *Compliance Requirements*: Universities may be required to implement new policies, training, or oversight mechanisms to ensure compliance with federal laws and regulations.
The Supreme Court has ruled that race-conscious admissions policies must meet strict scrutiny standards, meaning they must further a compelling government interest and be narrowly tailored to achieve that interest
This is anti-oppressive practice. This is not “anti-white people”. This is “let’s give historically oppressed populations a fair chance without having bias get in the way”. Unconscious bias (that leans white supremacist in majority of people) is a real thing.
Shhhh you can’t say that on Reddit, anything leftist is always right. Thinks are really black and white and no room for nuance or conversation
it’s not supposed to be fair it’s supposed to be equitable. Calling it “racist” to prioritize women’s and minority applications is willful ignorance dressed up as concern for fairness. White men got such a head start they wrote the rules, controlled the gates, and then declared the results “merit-based.” Equal treatment in a system built on inequality is just preservation of power with better PR. Equity is the bare minimum correction after centuries of exclusion, not some radical punishment. If that threatens you, it’s because you were never competing on equal ground to begin with
When Trump wanted to defund Harvard and other universities on the pretext that they allowed anti-Israel speech, I could not believe how many people thought it was completely unacceptable that these dirtbags would not be handed millions and billions of taxpayer money.
Of course, these same people will say it’s all irrelevant and unconnected rather than admit that they could not see through one single layer of Trump’s subterfuge. No wonder the public is so easily manipulated when everyone would rather be righteously outraged.
Wouldn’t the most logical options be blind pick based on merit (no race sex or name attached) or seek to fit demographic percentages?
Equality looks like oppression to the oppressor.
what about legacy admissions? you gonna get pissed about that too?
I do worry that with more and more companies using AI that biases like this will be inherent. Just imagine if every large corporation stopped reading the resumes of a certain race.