Ok, so he’s going to ban usury? Cancel all debts after seven years? Is he going to be solicitous towards refugees, the poor the sick?
All of these are actually pronouncements from his Jesus who also said that the only way to get into heaven is to follow HIS teachings. So no Paul, no Mark, no John just Mathew.
I bet he knows less about living as a Christian than I do and I’m an atheist.
Min_sora on
„Asked by Farron, who is also a Christian, whether his aim was to “Christianize” Britain, Kruger stopped short, arguing that such language “raises unhelpful questions.” However, he added, “I would love us to be a more confidently Christian country that acknowledges its Christian heritage. A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”“
Yes, he’s right, that society would be happier, but it’s not a society Reform is going to make.
Significant-View-612 on
Reform, just another bunch of cheek-turning, love-they-neighbour guys
Krabsandwich on
„Confidently Christian“ clearly he doesn’t know that the established church is the Church of England where belief god is pretty much an optional extra. He really needs to dump the MAGA nonsense and get out more clearly he forgets he is an MP and thinks he is a Congressman.
antlered-god on
Christian??? Doesn’t he know that means not spreading hate?
ItsAMangoFandango on
3 guesses as to what this „Christians“ views are on the topics of helping the homeless, feeding the poor, looking after the sick, taking in refugees, etc are
potpan0 on
I’m not quite sure what Kruger’s brand of *confident Christianity* has to offer outside of telling women they can’t have bodily autonomy, telling gay people they aren’t allowed to marry who they love, and all the while continuing the massive growth of economic inequality in our society.
His Christianity is entirely hollow, which I guess isn’t all too surprising seeing that he only converted because his wife wanted him to, and only seems to have embraced this more *hardcore* styling of Christianity since jumping ship from the Tories to Reform. This is the same feller who, as speechwriter for the Tories, helped define Cameron’s so-called (and equally hollow) ‚compassionate conservative‘. He certainly knows how to follow the wind.
VindoViper on
Including several other American clichés such as; freedom good, abortion bad and everyone should have two guns
cuppachar on
Religion is a cancer which needs cutting out of society.
Pollutiondullsky on
Ah yes the US playbook of whip up the Christian flavoured nationalists.
Remember everyone non religious people are the largest group in this country and the last time the church was a major player all they ever did was abuse kids and ruin decent peoples lives.
👌
Upstairs-Passenger28 on
He’s going to struggle with that as 55% of the UK have no religious beliefs but crack on make a fool of yourself
Heuchelei on
I agree. Let‘s have the real Christianity back. Let’s abide by Jesus‘ teachings. Loving thy neighbour, caring for the sick and vulnerable. Turning the other cheek. Abandoning pursuit of excessive wealth. Not the Reform Christianity which says love your neighbour except if they’re foreign.
ClassicFlavour on
He’s a true Christian who:
Consistently voted against improving air quality
Consistently voted against improving biodiversity
Consistently voted against improving environmental water quality
Consistently voted against higher taxes on banks
Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Consistently voted against stronger fire safety measures
Consistently voted against landlords paying for the costs of building safety works
Consistently voted against more rights for tenants and regulation on landlords
I’m confidently Quaker, British, European…I don’t feel the need to engage in exclusionary rhetoric to express any facet of my identity.
Robwolf52 on
Let’s go back to this countries roots and worship the old Gods then
ItsSuperDefective on
I think these people are seriously misjudging how exciting the general British public is about Christianity.
trevstan1 on
U mean the sect that brainwashed my ancestors into giving their lives, be it in battle, working the land for pennies or handing over any pennies they did make so the church could be rich. All 3 of the Abrahamic religions should be banned
fujoshimoder on
Jesus was a brown Palestinian man, I can’t exactly see your average Reform MP being welcoming to him if he was alive today.
ImageRevolutionary43 on
And what about the economy? Inflation? Youth unemployment? You know, things that actually matter.
Boo_Hoo_8258 on
These Reform Christian pushers can go and fuck off to America, I’ve had enough of all these so called Religious assholes trying to dictate how every person in the country should act or live.
unyieldingnoodle on
Does anyone know what proportion of the population are actually _practicing_ Christians?
I know the census identifies people as Christian, but I feel like that’s more culturally, as in they went to a CofE school, for example, rather than going to church every week?
Savvymundo on
Do they have a single original policy or is just copy/paste maga crap from now til the election.
wkavinsky on
No, what we need to do is to stop having the government and politicians butt in with religious-leaning takes on things, and leave religion to itself.
Any belief system should be welcome and free to be pursued **as long as it does no harm to others**, and children’s education should also be free of it.
Alas people will continue to weaponise people’s beliefs into us-vs-them instead, just like they’ve been doing for thousands of years.
Nights_Harvest on
An attempt at social wars, there are more important things to talk about, like:
Taxing wealth
ArchdukeToes on
So…which denomination of Christianity are we thinking, here? Quakers? Episcopalian? Or some kind of warped mega church / charismatic evangelical variant that’s metastasised out of the US?
Big_Distribution_481 on
Because Christians embrace pedophiles, serial sex offenders and corrupt politicians. Okay…
paolog on
Is that Christian as in loving thy neighbour, helping those in need and welcoming in strangers, Mr Kruger?
BobbyNotches on
humility, compassion, charity, tending to the needy and the rejected, avoiding the public performative look-how-holy-I-am Pharisee thing.
Yes, I can absolutely see the prominent Reform members modelling all of those things. Absolutely. Bless ‚em, each and every one.
It’s literally made up fairytale nonsense , same as all religions . Why would we want to go back to it?
Old_Operation_5116 on
I’m atheist. I want a Christian state about as much as I want a sharia one.
coffeewalnut08 on
So I wonder what they think of Jesus‘ teachings on these:
*So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.* (Matthew 7:12) –
Hebrews 13:2: *Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.*
Galatians 3:28: *There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*
Matthew 25:42-45: *For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me. And they too will reply ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and di not minister to you?‘ Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.‘*
AdNo3558 on
what we should be doing is making sure religion and politics is kept separate
MrSierra125 on
U.K. should confidently call itself an atheist country
DifficultSea4540 on
Same playbook as Trump. It seems Christian’s will believe anything if you tell them you’ll return the country back to when it was aggressively Christian. Cos that was a great time.
Under_Milkwood_1969 on
The party that is the antithesis of everything Christ stood for wants the country to be more ‘Christian’.
Unfortunately people like this are intent on redefining ‘Christian’ as ‘ignorant bigot’, then the churches wonder why nobody under the age of 60 wants to seen near them!
🤷♂️
DangerousDavidH on
As an atheist I object. I believe in the separation of the state and all religions. Politicians shouldn’t be pushing a religious identity.
leavemeinpieces on
>“A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”
No thanks. I’ll think for myself, I don’t need a spiritual being to figure out how I live my life. I just try to be a good person, work hard and take care of my family.
Religion and politics should remain fully separate, and influence from overseas pushing money into right wing grifter pockets here is bad news.
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Ok, so he’s going to ban usury? Cancel all debts after seven years? Is he going to be solicitous towards refugees, the poor the sick?
All of these are actually pronouncements from his Jesus who also said that the only way to get into heaven is to follow HIS teachings. So no Paul, no Mark, no John just Mathew.
I bet he knows less about living as a Christian than I do and I’m an atheist.
„Asked by Farron, who is also a Christian, whether his aim was to “Christianize” Britain, Kruger stopped short, arguing that such language “raises unhelpful questions.” However, he added, “I would love us to be a more confidently Christian country that acknowledges its Christian heritage. A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”“
Yes, he’s right, that society would be happier, but it’s not a society Reform is going to make.
Reform, just another bunch of cheek-turning, love-they-neighbour guys
„Confidently Christian“ clearly he doesn’t know that the established church is the Church of England where belief god is pretty much an optional extra. He really needs to dump the MAGA nonsense and get out more clearly he forgets he is an MP and thinks he is a Congressman.
Christian??? Doesn’t he know that means not spreading hate?
3 guesses as to what this „Christians“ views are on the topics of helping the homeless, feeding the poor, looking after the sick, taking in refugees, etc are
I’m not quite sure what Kruger’s brand of *confident Christianity* has to offer outside of telling women they can’t have bodily autonomy, telling gay people they aren’t allowed to marry who they love, and all the while continuing the massive growth of economic inequality in our society.
His Christianity is entirely hollow, which I guess isn’t all too surprising seeing that he only converted because his wife wanted him to, and only seems to have embraced this more *hardcore* styling of Christianity since jumping ship from the Tories to Reform. This is the same feller who, as speechwriter for the Tories, helped define Cameron’s so-called (and equally hollow) ‚compassionate conservative‘. He certainly knows how to follow the wind.
Including several other American clichés such as; freedom good, abortion bad and everyone should have two guns
Religion is a cancer which needs cutting out of society.
Ah yes the US playbook of whip up the Christian flavoured nationalists.
Remember everyone non religious people are the largest group in this country and the last time the church was a major player all they ever did was abuse kids and ruin decent peoples lives.
👌
He’s going to struggle with that as 55% of the UK have no religious beliefs but crack on make a fool of yourself
I agree. Let‘s have the real Christianity back. Let’s abide by Jesus‘ teachings. Loving thy neighbour, caring for the sick and vulnerable. Turning the other cheek. Abandoning pursuit of excessive wealth. Not the Reform Christianity which says love your neighbour except if they’re foreign.
He’s a true Christian who:
Consistently voted against improving air quality
Consistently voted against improving biodiversity
Consistently voted against improving environmental water quality
Consistently voted against higher taxes on banks
Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Consistently voted against stronger fire safety measures
Consistently voted against landlords paying for the costs of building safety works
Consistently voted against more rights for tenants and regulation on landlords
Edit: He’s also [Prue Leith’s](https://www.google.com/search?q=Prue+Leith&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB766GB766&oq=Prue+Leith&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg80gEHNjkzajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) son. That’s not a criticism. Just a oh..
I’m confidently Quaker, British, European…I don’t feel the need to engage in exclusionary rhetoric to express any facet of my identity.
Let’s go back to this countries roots and worship the old Gods then
I think these people are seriously misjudging how exciting the general British public is about Christianity.
U mean the sect that brainwashed my ancestors into giving their lives, be it in battle, working the land for pennies or handing over any pennies they did make so the church could be rich. All 3 of the Abrahamic religions should be banned
Jesus was a brown Palestinian man, I can’t exactly see your average Reform MP being welcoming to him if he was alive today.
And what about the economy? Inflation? Youth unemployment? You know, things that actually matter.
These Reform Christian pushers can go and fuck off to America, I’ve had enough of all these so called Religious assholes trying to dictate how every person in the country should act or live.
Does anyone know what proportion of the population are actually _practicing_ Christians?
I know the census identifies people as Christian, but I feel like that’s more culturally, as in they went to a CofE school, for example, rather than going to church every week?
Do they have a single original policy or is just copy/paste maga crap from now til the election.
No, what we need to do is to stop having the government and politicians butt in with religious-leaning takes on things, and leave religion to itself.
Any belief system should be welcome and free to be pursued **as long as it does no harm to others**, and children’s education should also be free of it.
Alas people will continue to weaponise people’s beliefs into us-vs-them instead, just like they’ve been doing for thousands of years.
An attempt at social wars, there are more important things to talk about, like:
Taxing wealth
So…which denomination of Christianity are we thinking, here? Quakers? Episcopalian? Or some kind of warped mega church / charismatic evangelical variant that’s metastasised out of the US?
Because Christians embrace pedophiles, serial sex offenders and corrupt politicians. Okay…
Is that Christian as in loving thy neighbour, helping those in need and welcoming in strangers, Mr Kruger?
humility, compassion, charity, tending to the needy and the rejected, avoiding the public performative look-how-holy-I-am Pharisee thing.
Yes, I can absolutely see the prominent Reform members modelling all of those things. Absolutely. Bless ‚em, each and every one.
I read a lovely blog post by (pagan) Starhawk earlier today re real Christian values vs these political bullies claiming to espouse them. She pretty much nails it actually https://open.substack.com/pub/starhawk/p/what-if-we-really-put-christ-back?r=z5bt4&utm_medium=ios
Why?
It’s literally made up fairytale nonsense , same as all religions . Why would we want to go back to it?
I’m atheist. I want a Christian state about as much as I want a sharia one.
So I wonder what they think of Jesus‘ teachings on these:
*So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.* (Matthew 7:12) –
Hebrews 13:2: *Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.*
Galatians 3:28: *There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*
Matthew 25:42-45: *For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me. And they too will reply ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and di not minister to you?‘ Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.‘*
what we should be doing is making sure religion and politics is kept separate
U.K. should confidently call itself an atheist country
Same playbook as Trump. It seems Christian’s will believe anything if you tell them you’ll return the country back to when it was aggressively Christian. Cos that was a great time.
The party that is the antithesis of everything Christ stood for wants the country to be more ‘Christian’.
Unfortunately people like this are intent on redefining ‘Christian’ as ‘ignorant bigot’, then the churches wonder why nobody under the age of 60 wants to seen near them!
🤷♂️
As an atheist I object. I believe in the separation of the state and all religions. Politicians shouldn’t be pushing a religious identity.
>“A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”
No thanks. I’ll think for myself, I don’t need a spiritual being to figure out how I live my life. I just try to be a good person, work hard and take care of my family.
Religion and politics should remain fully separate, and influence from overseas pushing money into right wing grifter pockets here is bad news.