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    1. vladgrinch on

      The United States protects such speech under the First Amendment, holding that the government cannot ban expression simply because it is offensive or factually incorrect unless it poses an immediate threat.

    2. CharlieTtm0 on

      I need to be careful with how I word this – I believe that no matter what someone says expression is a basic human right that should not be controlled or made illegal in anyway. I understand that somethings are offensive or can be harmful and in those cases you have to rely on social pressure to prevent it. Just to clarify though; the holocaust did happen and my condolences go out to all those affected.

    3. biggie_way_smaller on

      I stand with free speech, fuck antisemites but the last thing I want is government abusing their power to suppress free speech under the ambiguity of „hate-speech“ or „public disruption“

    6. Lucas_Xavier0201 on

      Based Canada, Brazil, Australia and most of Europe. Should have been more tho.

    8. palpatineforever on

      Denial is legal in the UK but you cant just say whatever you like. there are laws if you were making public statements deigsned to intentionally incite hate or harasment.
      The fact holocause denial is racially motivated also would come into play with regards to punishment for it. This includes online.
      So you can say it didn’t happen but if you are saying that to intentionally stir up trouble you can find yourself getting a knock from the police.

      Public Order Act 1986: Criminalizes threatening, abusive, or insulting words/behaviour intended to stir up hatred or cause harassment, alarm, or distress (Section 5).

      Crime and Disorder Act 1998 & Sentencing Act 2020: Allow for tougher sentences if a crime (like assault or harassment) is motivated by hostility towards race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or transgender identity.

      Online Safety Act 2023: Also plays a role in regulating online content.

      The UK has free speech you can say whatever you like but you can also deal with the consequences if you are being intentionally hateful. So just dont be?

    9. PeanutOld6221 on

      I’m an American so I’ll admit ignorance on this whole issue. But for those countries where denying the holocaust is illegal, are there other hot button issues you aren’t allowed to share a stupid view on?

      Of course deniers are idiots but why is their stupid view the one regulated?

      Like if you’re in Canada is it illegal to say “our government didn’t mistreat the indigenous”?

    11. RelarMage on

      „Ambiguous / Illegal if hateful“
      How could Holocaust denial NOT be hateful?

    13. huojtkef on

      Should be legal everywhere to express your opinion, even if someone is offended.

    14. BornPraline5607 on

      For those of you supporting making it illegal to deny the holocaust. I have a question for you, does your country also make it illegal to deny the genocide of Asians under the hand of Japanese? Does you country make it illegal to deny the starvation plan to exterminate eastern Europeans and make room for the German race?

    15. Mollynesio on

      There must be freedom to question these facts and argue the grounds for them. Otherwise, if we’re going to outlaw freedom of expression because of „hate,“ then hate speech in general should be outlawed. No more insults, no questioning anyone’s beliefs, and no talking about topics that might offend someone. That’s the most logical consequence. It’s literally like being Teletubbies.

    16. DarkImpacT213 on

      „Illegal if hateful“ should go for most of Europe, because Holocaust denial is always hateful lmao.

    17. 500Rtg on

      I am always astounded how much west views the world with their eyes only and expects the world to behave the same. Why would anyone assume that a country in Asia would have any laws regarding Holocaust? Does Australia have laws regarding Jallianwala Bagh? Or Germany on the Bengal famine? Heck, India doesn’t have laws regarding these too. India has free speech, with restrictions. The restrictions are if it hurts religious sentiments or promotes obscenity. If holocaust denial frames it as a Jewish conspiracy, it can be charged under first.

    19. _Azuki_ on

      Being allowed to say whatever you want is important, yes. But if not being able to say something this outrageous and hateful limits you in any way, that’s on you.

      I believe there *should* be laws that make ridiculous stuff like this illegal – defending nazis, holocaust denial, supporting the hateful views that brought about wars and unrest, etc. There is no good reason why anyone normal would ever support these things, and their intentions can never be good, so why should anyone be allowed to freely talk about it and spread it?

    21. Cool_Being_7590 on

      u/SkyNet_Admin_1 said:

      >How many Russians and Chinese died in WW2? But we care about 271k dead Jews in concentration camps. How many Japanese did the USA have in concentration camps? The “chosen people” have lied to all of us.

      70 – 80 million people died in world war 2. The issue is the systemic processing of humans. The absolute horror of the Holocaust machine being a deliberate, state run machine of death.

      No one is saying others didn’t die, and they aren’t only focusing on the Holocaust, what they are saying is that it was a very bad thing that happened. And that exists alongside the other bad things that happened too.

      Oh, and your 271k is just flat out wrong. 6 million deaths is more accurate.

    23. Helpful_Artichoke966 on

      Illegal in Russia but legal in Belarus is certainly interesting.

      also somebody moved New Zealand.

    24. thegiantlemon on

      UK should be orange. Any hateful speech could be found to be illegal. (Not a lawyer, but my understanding of current UK law).

    28. ultraxanny on

      i’m all for israel and the jewish but have these counties ever heard of freedom of speech?

    29. _-PassingThrough-_ on

      The Red scares me. History is important and in Ireland we are taught of such atrocities, but I would absolutely not want the government deciding what variations of history we can or cannot make comments on.

    31. vomicyclin on

      People here speaking about “freedom of speech” apparently don’t understand what freedom of speech is valued for or think it is something sacrosanct.

      Freedom of speech is good because it is fair. And gives a fair ground for all ideas to be discussed on.

      It is completely nonsensical when it comes to the denial of historical facts. Especially in such instances, where the reason for the denial only can be based in the most sinister rationals.

    34. Samwrc93 on

      I guess I see it two ways. You absolutely should have the right to question things and be sceptical.

      But also without getting deep into it. The holocaust unfortunately did absolutely happen and that is FACT.

      Sorry but anyone denying it needs their head checking.

    35. Public_Administrator on

      People who deny the holocaust are either completely ignorant to history or just deny the facts. I don’t agree that it should be illegal because it’s still free speech, even though I don’t think any human with common sense would deny the holocaust. Speaking from Flanders btw.

    36. _bagelcherry_ on

      Recently a polish far-right politician and activist publicly denied the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz. Yet he is fine and didn’t faced any legal trouble

    37. Hicalibre on

      Clarification for Canada: „wilfully promote antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust,“ other than in private conversation.

      So you can’t „teach“ it, but you can believe it.

      So a bit of a grey area.

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