I thought it was funny before Christmas when the government was saying they were going to consult with the young people who’d be affected to get their thoughts on a ban. They might as well not bother because it’ll be the exact same thing that happened in Australia, ~90% opposed but they’re just ignored anyway since they don’t know what they’re talking about.
oneeyedman72 on
Only if they ban over 65s. Social media in oldies (eg MAGA,) has done more harm to society than anything else in recent years.
tennereachway on
It sounds like a great idea in theory, the impact social media has had on teens is horrendous.
I’m not sure how you’d actually go about banning it for under 16s though, it seems all but unenforceable without completely removing anonymity from the Internet.
Babyindablender on
The parent in me screams yes, but I feel like it’s wrong, I think it’ll be a case where its just until your 16 then that entire generation onward will have a digital ID that is normalised and then we are slowly stripping freedom away for generations beyond.
Key_Duck_6293 on
I don’t really care what teens think in this regard, I just care whether the ban is effective in achieving its goals. Australia should have some short term indicators soon
Burger_Mc_Burgface on
as someone who is literally 16 I feel like banning social media is unreasonable as people would 100% find alternatives or some other way to do what they’re doing OR instead of this the alternative would be everyone getting into drugs and sex instead of social media.
Personally the pros of being able to communicate with people all over the world and make new friends along with the friends I still keep irl outweigh the potential cons with LOTS of different support avenues to go down if it negatively affects you. It’s people and their parents responsibility to keep you safe in the world, the government can only provide access to safety they can’t use the internet for you and locking social media is a cheap way out.
Also, most people would not be willing to verify in general adults included and it would definitely be a factor in killing people’s privacy overall.
But chat control is gonna do that anyways so I’m just expecting the worst eitherway.
kewthewer on
Sure. I don’t see why websites are ‘entitled’ to anything, being honest. Like Air BNB, Uber, etc. we have laws here, I don’t accept they need to be change or be broken, just cos someone made a website or app.
Why should we simply accept them laissez faire? Are they taking from society or providing any positive at all? Regulate it, if that’s not reasonable. Make them publishers with liability I say, tax the shite out of them too.
WolfOfWexford on
I think it should be banned in general tbh
im-a-guy-like-me on
Pushing them onto underground sites? Super well thought out. Top work by top men.
This is all just laying the groundwork for a fully monitored online presence. WON’T SOMEBODY PLEEEEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
blood_transfusion on
If they do ban social media for our youth, the government need to implement alternative ways to allow youths to spend their time. Facilities such has public indoor pools, gyms, more ACCESSIBLE libraries (not ones in the city that you have to take unreliable bus eireean for).
Seargentyates on
Next we’re going to consult with under 16’s on whether or not we should allow them to drink alcohol and drive.
Miserable_Cress_1678 on
Absolutely. It’s fucked. First the under 16s then the rest. With AI and Russia etc etc, we can’t afford to have such a confused, distracted apathetic and easily controlled society. It needs a complete overhaul
Eastern-Ant-4173 on
Or make parents responsible for what their children are doing online. Stop rewarding streamers who are having a negative impact on children? I don’t know, teach children from the earliest age to navigate the Internet safely so it’s less likely that they’ll become victimised?
Really, the only ban regarding tech I could get behind is a ban on boomers and tech illiterate people legislating how they think the Internet should work.
GlesgaBawbag on
Digital ID is a Tony Blair fetish. Constant surveillance.
It’s not about protecting kids. They could make a law that banned under 16s from owning smart phones but it’s not about the kids.
Outrageous_Blood_935 on
No, next question
A-Hind-D on
Should probably ban adults too from Facebook groups
dropthecoin on
Yes. Absolutely. Kids did fine for millennia without it and it’s utterly toxic now.
I’ll be all ears if someone can present a credible alternative that’s not the usual get out “eDUCaTiON” line
Bad_Ethics on
Regulations need to target the companies and algorithms themselves, not introducing arbitrary age limits that any kid with 2 and a half brain cells can circumvent.
ArcherVisible5866 on
Everyone else will have to prove they’re not 16 to use the internet with personal data, which will be compromised. Can the government stop trying to parent the nation. Children parents should do this
EducationChemical488 on
Only if they do it like they did in Oz, if its done the way they are floating it now in Lenister house, it will be a sloppy, invasive data theft disaster which wont protect kids, just remove adults freedoms.
Oz drafted their law right & so well Social Media companies had to implement nearly immediately & did so fully without hassle or subjecting adult users to a bevy of invasive privacy destroying & extra data collection methods. So much so that some Tech companies are tryna sue them into repeal.
Yes if they follow Oz, no if they do something stupid.
There are 2 legitimate routes to do this, parents be 100% reponsible for their childrens behaviour, its already mostly true of pre Internet situations anyways, these issues now largely arise from govs. not keeping legislation up to date in parents policing their own childrens behaviour, after all they are the party with the vested interest & the ones entirely responisible for their own childrens immediate wellbeing & development.
The other way & the 1 i think is most straight forward is simply lean into all the Tech companies already overly invasive data harvesting & surveillance practices. They already always know who you are & what you say & do online. All thats needed is a legal court ordered warrant in functioning democracies to breach your privacy & dob you into the cops. Which is fine provided there is a culture of effort justified by genuine legal cause for govs. or police to get your data & not be just casually surveilled & live under a microscope. Its easy to get the Tech companies to just ban all the accounts they’re fairly sure are under 16 & have the handful of outliers appeal & prove otherwise.
What I fear is the fact that they try imposing unwealdy, sloppily implemented, overly invasive, poorly protected systems that put us all to massive inconvenience just so they can say they’re protecting kids but make it easier for them to retaliate against political opponents, criticism or just general private abuse by civil servants or cops sitting on too much info who get salty about an Ex or paranoid about a cheating spouse etc. Its already bad enough to have rando tech employee 101 etc. with that power, i’d rather not also have people who have real world power to be able to marry that knowledge with the power to easily act on it.
TryToHelpPeople on
Social media overall has been a bad influence across every age bracket.
However this is an effort to strip privacy in disguise.
iamanoctothorpe on
this is probably going to get downvoted to hell but as a 19 year old I am glad I had access to social media and the internet as a kid because I would have been so isolated otherwise as a kid growing up in the sticks with minimal friends in school and parents who didn’t help much either. I have internet friends from back when I was 14-15 that I am still in touch with to this day and I am glad I got the opportunity to know.
IamaJarJar on
Teens are smarter than people think
If you try banning something, especially something as big as social media, they’ll just find ways around it
All these sort of bans do is make it harder for the average person to do basic things
Couch-Potayto on
Idk, maybe the parents should do some parenting for a change. When I was a teen social media was already a thing, my parents had no clue what’s the story was, but they contacted my school and even the local university to understand how it worked and from there they kept a closer look on my activity and always warned me of talking to strangers online and all that jazz.
Today’s equivalent would be help them manage time spent, unrealistic pressure and expectations, not oversharing and doxing yourself and unlike in the past, mobile devices has plenty of child locks as well as home routers has many ways to setup a separate wifi login/password for kids to access the internet with proper filters for ads and adult content. If parents don’t know how to do any of it we have literally tech companies begging to use their LLMs, make some good use of it.
This whole BS of age verification has nothing to do with “protect the children”, no government cares about them. This is surveillance because they saw first hand what happen in other countries and how they mobilized to remove corrupt leader from power.
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I thought it was funny before Christmas when the government was saying they were going to consult with the young people who’d be affected to get their thoughts on a ban. They might as well not bother because it’ll be the exact same thing that happened in Australia, ~90% opposed but they’re just ignored anyway since they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Only if they ban over 65s. Social media in oldies (eg MAGA,) has done more harm to society than anything else in recent years.
It sounds like a great idea in theory, the impact social media has had on teens is horrendous.
I’m not sure how you’d actually go about banning it for under 16s though, it seems all but unenforceable without completely removing anonymity from the Internet.
The parent in me screams yes, but I feel like it’s wrong, I think it’ll be a case where its just until your 16 then that entire generation onward will have a digital ID that is normalised and then we are slowly stripping freedom away for generations beyond.
I don’t really care what teens think in this regard, I just care whether the ban is effective in achieving its goals. Australia should have some short term indicators soon
as someone who is literally 16 I feel like banning social media is unreasonable as people would 100% find alternatives or some other way to do what they’re doing OR instead of this the alternative would be everyone getting into drugs and sex instead of social media.
Personally the pros of being able to communicate with people all over the world and make new friends along with the friends I still keep irl outweigh the potential cons with LOTS of different support avenues to go down if it negatively affects you. It’s people and their parents responsibility to keep you safe in the world, the government can only provide access to safety they can’t use the internet for you and locking social media is a cheap way out.
Also, most people would not be willing to verify in general adults included and it would definitely be a factor in killing people’s privacy overall.
But chat control is gonna do that anyways so I’m just expecting the worst eitherway.
Sure. I don’t see why websites are ‘entitled’ to anything, being honest. Like Air BNB, Uber, etc. we have laws here, I don’t accept they need to be change or be broken, just cos someone made a website or app.
Why should we simply accept them laissez faire? Are they taking from society or providing any positive at all? Regulate it, if that’s not reasonable. Make them publishers with liability I say, tax the shite out of them too.
I think it should be banned in general tbh
Pushing them onto underground sites? Super well thought out. Top work by top men.
This is all just laying the groundwork for a fully monitored online presence. WON’T SOMEBODY PLEEEEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
If they do ban social media for our youth, the government need to implement alternative ways to allow youths to spend their time. Facilities such has public indoor pools, gyms, more ACCESSIBLE libraries (not ones in the city that you have to take unreliable bus eireean for).
Next we’re going to consult with under 16’s on whether or not we should allow them to drink alcohol and drive.
Absolutely. It’s fucked. First the under 16s then the rest. With AI and Russia etc etc, we can’t afford to have such a confused, distracted apathetic and easily controlled society. It needs a complete overhaul
Or make parents responsible for what their children are doing online. Stop rewarding streamers who are having a negative impact on children? I don’t know, teach children from the earliest age to navigate the Internet safely so it’s less likely that they’ll become victimised?
Really, the only ban regarding tech I could get behind is a ban on boomers and tech illiterate people legislating how they think the Internet should work.
Digital ID is a Tony Blair fetish. Constant surveillance.
It’s not about protecting kids. They could make a law that banned under 16s from owning smart phones but it’s not about the kids.
No, next question
Should probably ban adults too from Facebook groups
Yes. Absolutely. Kids did fine for millennia without it and it’s utterly toxic now.
I’ll be all ears if someone can present a credible alternative that’s not the usual get out “eDUCaTiON” line
Regulations need to target the companies and algorithms themselves, not introducing arbitrary age limits that any kid with 2 and a half brain cells can circumvent.
Everyone else will have to prove they’re not 16 to use the internet with personal data, which will be compromised. Can the government stop trying to parent the nation. Children parents should do this
Only if they do it like they did in Oz, if its done the way they are floating it now in Lenister house, it will be a sloppy, invasive data theft disaster which wont protect kids, just remove adults freedoms.
Oz drafted their law right & so well Social Media companies had to implement nearly immediately & did so fully without hassle or subjecting adult users to a bevy of invasive privacy destroying & extra data collection methods. So much so that some Tech companies are tryna sue them into repeal.
Yes if they follow Oz, no if they do something stupid.
There are 2 legitimate routes to do this, parents be 100% reponsible for their childrens behaviour, its already mostly true of pre Internet situations anyways, these issues now largely arise from govs. not keeping legislation up to date in parents policing their own childrens behaviour, after all they are the party with the vested interest & the ones entirely responisible for their own childrens immediate wellbeing & development.
The other way & the 1 i think is most straight forward is simply lean into all the Tech companies already overly invasive data harvesting & surveillance practices. They already always know who you are & what you say & do online. All thats needed is a legal court ordered warrant in functioning democracies to breach your privacy & dob you into the cops. Which is fine provided there is a culture of effort justified by genuine legal cause for govs. or police to get your data & not be just casually surveilled & live under a microscope. Its easy to get the Tech companies to just ban all the accounts they’re fairly sure are under 16 & have the handful of outliers appeal & prove otherwise.
What I fear is the fact that they try imposing unwealdy, sloppily implemented, overly invasive, poorly protected systems that put us all to massive inconvenience just so they can say they’re protecting kids but make it easier for them to retaliate against political opponents, criticism or just general private abuse by civil servants or cops sitting on too much info who get salty about an Ex or paranoid about a cheating spouse etc. Its already bad enough to have rando tech employee 101 etc. with that power, i’d rather not also have people who have real world power to be able to marry that knowledge with the power to easily act on it.
Social media overall has been a bad influence across every age bracket.
However this is an effort to strip privacy in disguise.
this is probably going to get downvoted to hell but as a 19 year old I am glad I had access to social media and the internet as a kid because I would have been so isolated otherwise as a kid growing up in the sticks with minimal friends in school and parents who didn’t help much either. I have internet friends from back when I was 14-15 that I am still in touch with to this day and I am glad I got the opportunity to know.
Teens are smarter than people think
If you try banning something, especially something as big as social media, they’ll just find ways around it
All these sort of bans do is make it harder for the average person to do basic things
Idk, maybe the parents should do some parenting for a change. When I was a teen social media was already a thing, my parents had no clue what’s the story was, but they contacted my school and even the local university to understand how it worked and from there they kept a closer look on my activity and always warned me of talking to strangers online and all that jazz.
Today’s equivalent would be help them manage time spent, unrealistic pressure and expectations, not oversharing and doxing yourself and unlike in the past, mobile devices has plenty of child locks as well as home routers has many ways to setup a separate wifi login/password for kids to access the internet with proper filters for ads and adult content. If parents don’t know how to do any of it we have literally tech companies begging to use their LLMs, make some good use of it.
This whole BS of age verification has nothing to do with “protect the children”, no government cares about them. This is surveillance because they saw first hand what happen in other countries and how they mobilized to remove corrupt leader from power.