If Putin doesn’t like this, neither will his puppet Trump.
PorgCT on
Best-case scenario is the Donbas becomes another Korea, with an international force enforcing the DMZ.
Wonderful-Pause1048 on
Das schlimmste Szenario …
Jaded-Durian-3917 on
This is the most meaningless war of all time. Russia will die for this war. Putin will risk collapsing the entire state. The West makes empty promises. Talks about NATO. But is willing to do very little.
Let the provinces vote. They’ll vote to join Russia. You can’t support democracy only when it benefits you. Let them join. Be done with this.
Arrrchitect on
Russia will not respect this. They will violate the agreement and put troops in the DMZ anyway, and nobody will be willing to force them out. It will give Russia time to reinforce its defenses and make it more difficult for Ukraine to take back its land.
Hibikku7 on
It was all for nothing
Blueridge-Badger on
All of Donbas and Crimea? I hope the return of all those deported to Russia is in there too. Europe needs to step up Putin will not give that.
Farewell-Farewell on
I really feel sorry for Zelensky. He knows, and We know, that you cannot trust Russia. Any peace treaty will be broken at some stage.
draivaden on
Restore borders to before the crimea annexation. Put the DMZ a few miles deep in the Russian side.
Nerevarine91 on
By rights, any demilitarized zone should be in Russia, not Ukraine
ClownMorty on
Is this just appeasing Trump because he knows Putin won’t actually go for it?
cobaltjacket on
A demilitarized zone makes sense, if it goes 1000km into Russia from all Eastern borders.
spunktastica on
Can they just include security assurances from someone that would actually jump in ? Poland was pretty excitable when all this started.
sovietarmyfan on
He proposes this because he knows Russia will never agree.
Opening-Border-6313 on
A DMZ wouldnt mean any Russian troops/administrators/police there right? Like an internationally controlled zone if I understand this right
Overall_Cycle_715 on
This is a great idea!
msped on
Is Russia short on space?
jarisius on
nah you gotta cede it
aotus_trivirgatus on
I would like to propose a demilitarized zone in Western Russia.
rando1459 on
Many redditors seem to mistakingly think Ukraine is winning this war.
I’ll take the downvotes for not seeing the emperor’s new clothes.
Usefullles on
This proposal would be a good one for 2022. It’s almost 2026 now, and it’s a disgusting proposal that is as disconnected from reality on the battlefield as possible.
Various_Travel3156 on
Only way this ends with Putin in the ground
ang-p on
Putin has to have Donetsk – he will lose too much face if he doesn’t get it…
He won’t get it without taking it by force, and so the stalemate continues.
Trumpin is restricting support, Europe has to step up.
ScoobyD00BIEdoo on
I remember week one of this where someone posted satellite imagery that showed Russia was storing tons of military vehicles in multiple places along the Ukranian boarder
Retirednypd on
Im sorry to say this, but this is not going to end well. Russia will take all of Ukraine, even if it takes years. And before anyone says that it’s taken him years to only make small progress… while true, he will up the game, so to speak, sadly.
JoopahTroopah on
Zelenskyy knows that Russia will not accept this and is just trying to make it clearer for the thicker members of the international community that Russia just wants the land.
The only “demilitarised” area Russia accept is on land currently held by Ukraine, so Russia can come up with another BS cassus belli, zerg rush the land and occupy that too.
ihavenoidea12345678 on
Sure Demilitarize the following:
Krasnodar
Rostov
Voronezh
Kursk
Bryansk
Get the military out of there, should be good.
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You cannot trust pootin.
If Putin doesn’t like this, neither will his puppet Trump.
Best-case scenario is the Donbas becomes another Korea, with an international force enforcing the DMZ.
Das schlimmste Szenario …
This is the most meaningless war of all time. Russia will die for this war. Putin will risk collapsing the entire state. The West makes empty promises. Talks about NATO. But is willing to do very little.
Let the provinces vote. They’ll vote to join Russia. You can’t support democracy only when it benefits you. Let them join. Be done with this.
Russia will not respect this. They will violate the agreement and put troops in the DMZ anyway, and nobody will be willing to force them out. It will give Russia time to reinforce its defenses and make it more difficult for Ukraine to take back its land.
It was all for nothing
All of Donbas and Crimea? I hope the return of all those deported to Russia is in there too. Europe needs to step up Putin will not give that.
I really feel sorry for Zelensky. He knows, and We know, that you cannot trust Russia. Any peace treaty will be broken at some stage.
Restore borders to before the crimea annexation. Put the DMZ a few miles deep in the Russian side.
By rights, any demilitarized zone should be in Russia, not Ukraine
Is this just appeasing Trump because he knows Putin won’t actually go for it?
A demilitarized zone makes sense, if it goes 1000km into Russia from all Eastern borders.
Can they just include security assurances from someone that would actually jump in ? Poland was pretty excitable when all this started.
He proposes this because he knows Russia will never agree.
A DMZ wouldnt mean any Russian troops/administrators/police there right? Like an internationally controlled zone if I understand this right
This is a great idea!
Is Russia short on space?
nah you gotta cede it
I would like to propose a demilitarized zone in Western Russia.
Many redditors seem to mistakingly think Ukraine is winning this war.
I’ll take the downvotes for not seeing the emperor’s new clothes.
This proposal would be a good one for 2022. It’s almost 2026 now, and it’s a disgusting proposal that is as disconnected from reality on the battlefield as possible.
Only way this ends with Putin in the ground
Putin has to have Donetsk – he will lose too much face if he doesn’t get it…
He won’t get it without taking it by force, and so the stalemate continues.
Trumpin is restricting support, Europe has to step up.
I remember week one of this where someone posted satellite imagery that showed Russia was storing tons of military vehicles in multiple places along the Ukranian boarder
Im sorry to say this, but this is not going to end well. Russia will take all of Ukraine, even if it takes years. And before anyone says that it’s taken him years to only make small progress… while true, he will up the game, so to speak, sadly.
Zelenskyy knows that Russia will not accept this and is just trying to make it clearer for the thicker members of the international community that Russia just wants the land.
The only “demilitarised” area Russia accept is on land currently held by Ukraine, so Russia can come up with another BS cassus belli, zerg rush the land and occupy that too.
Sure Demilitarize the following:
Krasnodar
Rostov
Voronezh
Kursk
Bryansk
Get the military out of there, should be good.