It feels like Japan just wants people to prove they’re serious about staying. Ten years is a long time though, especially when you’re already living and paying taxes there.
scrotalsmoothie on
It’s an interesting move. Would like to hear the conversation of why when they face serious population erosion.
are they doing what’s in the interest of Japan or a particular Japanese ideology? because it’s it’s not the same thing. for example South Korea can’t/shouldn’t do this. and Japan isn’t far behind on the list of countries for which the same reason applies..an existential threat of a rapidly ageing tax base.
llamaz314 on
Why are they so scared of foreigners when, without immigration, there’s a good chance Japan will cease to exist in a couple decades?
Ok-Print3260 on
citizenship already wasn’t attractive because they don’t recognize dual nationality, and PR – the far more attractive option for people planning to live in japan long term – already took 10 years.
so whatever, they just made something already unattractive into something prohibitive and unattractive, and made PR even more unattractive since they can revoke it based on retroactive behavior now.
good job, japan – make sure you attract only the most poor and desperate immigrants and create a self-fulfilling prophecy about immigrants being poor criminals because you scared off all the good ones with weird racism-informed policies like this.
pitaviv on
Good move for national security. Good for maintaining cultural excellency.
But with no complimentary policies to increase the country’s low birth rates, it’s only going to make the life harder for future generations.
zapdoszaperson on
Japan has a serious issue with rural depopulation and a massive aging population and low birth rate. If anything they should be lessening requirements
Lucky-Message-9480 on
Great Job Japan! Hopefully other countries follow.
thatben on
I heard that Japan’s population was really exploding, this makes total sense 😳
wwchickendinner on
Reduce working hours. This will increase productivity because workload won’t change and you just gotta get it done in the timeframe.
Equals productivity in the real world.
Zero impact on the metrics, but natural population growth will increase significantly as a result (relative to current levels).
Ya gotta let romance play out big gov.
PsychologicalCrab411 on
lol imagine living with massive restrictions on everything possible for 10 years just for the opportunity to become a citizen. They don’t want you there. It’s fairly obvious from the requirements and restrictions on non citizens
Would love to visit and see their nature but I have zero interest in living in a place I’m not welcome.
spinosaurs on
I know they say Japan is in a “population crisis” but I mean, I think there problems aren’t population numbers. Japan has 123 million people, 34 million-ish of which live in the greater Tokyo area (14 million in the city proper).
For perspective New Zealand is technically 40% smaller than the whole of Japan with a population of 5.5 million people. 3x the population in just one city is fucking wild, imagine trying to interact and meet people/perspective partners in what is essentially a massive cluster fuck of people. Japan should incentivise spreading out the population to the rest of the country, they have great transport systems already in place. Rolling out upgrades to services outside of cities and incentivising people out of cities and things such as reduced period on citizenship etc for living in said towns would probably solve a lot of their issues.
WeeklyPhilosopher346 on
That’ll show those gaijin, the source of all our problems.
Kosovar91 on
I was just about to leave for.japan and start enjoying the grueling work life balance there….
Drats!
VincentKenway on
Won’t be surprised if they stopped handing out citizenship ever
Voodoo_Masta on
Our population is collapsing! Quick! What do we do! I have an idea sir, here hold my sake while I present my plan…
ash_ninetyone on
I’m sure that will solve their demographic issue.
lilbitze on
I’ve heard so many stories about foreigners in Japan speaking Japanese and people pretending not to understand them. And once again we see a country is willing to do anything but improve the standard of living. Kicking the can down the road
beatthedookieup on
I have an old Chinese friend who applied to become a citizen after being there for 5 years, but my ex said that he spent majority of 2023-24 submitting paperwork because the process was that tedious.
WeeklyPhilosopher346 on
For comparison’s sake;
France – 5 years continuous residence (2 if you complete higher education there)
Germany – 5 years legal residence (2 for marrying a citizen or “outstanding integration” – includes passing financial years, German language tests and civics tests)
UK – 5 years with specific limits on time spent abroad (max 90 days in the last year and max 450 days total) or 3 years for marrying a citizen (which also reduces days abroad to 270)
Italy – 10 years for non-EU citizens, 4 years for EU citizens, 3 years for those of Italian descent or who were born in Italy, 5 years for refugees
US – 5 years *after* getting your Green Card or 3 years after getting it. Getting the card itself can often add 1 to many years to this depending on path taken
Dion33333 on
Who sane would go live to Japan, lol.
Rainbike80 on
Why do I always hear about population decline fears? If this is your immigration policy don’t expect any sympathy.
Super_Mario_Luigi on
There is a big push worldwide against immigration. We all know the leftist speaking points that you must comply with mass immigration or die. Shockingly, not everyone has the same goals. Not everyone wants to import mass quantities of people who don’t share the same values, language, or cultures because they want cheap agriculture or increasing real estate values. It’s easy to sling mud from your cushy, ivory towers, but is a real concern.
If you look at housing costs and crime alone in any area with mass immigration (let alone the complete cultural shift of any norms), the results have not been ideal. I do not foresee birth rates changing anytime soon. I’d bet we see more of a solve through AI more than anything else.
Titan3692 on
Who would want to live there lol
wnted_dread_or_alive on
Somehow they avoid all the epithets that get assigned to other particular nations when they pursue the same policies, strange.
Key-Air1015 on
Let me guess, people are fleeing USA?
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It feels like Japan just wants people to prove they’re serious about staying. Ten years is a long time though, especially when you’re already living and paying taxes there.
It’s an interesting move. Would like to hear the conversation of why when they face serious population erosion.
Country in [population crisis](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74dnzr4jdvo) still finds time to be xenophobic.
are they doing what’s in the interest of Japan or a particular Japanese ideology? because it’s it’s not the same thing. for example South Korea can’t/shouldn’t do this. and Japan isn’t far behind on the list of countries for which the same reason applies..an existential threat of a rapidly ageing tax base.
Why are they so scared of foreigners when, without immigration, there’s a good chance Japan will cease to exist in a couple decades?
citizenship already wasn’t attractive because they don’t recognize dual nationality, and PR – the far more attractive option for people planning to live in japan long term – already took 10 years.
so whatever, they just made something already unattractive into something prohibitive and unattractive, and made PR even more unattractive since they can revoke it based on retroactive behavior now.
good job, japan – make sure you attract only the most poor and desperate immigrants and create a self-fulfilling prophecy about immigrants being poor criminals because you scared off all the good ones with weird racism-informed policies like this.
Good move for national security. Good for maintaining cultural excellency.
But with no complimentary policies to increase the country’s low birth rates, it’s only going to make the life harder for future generations.
Japan has a serious issue with rural depopulation and a massive aging population and low birth rate. If anything they should be lessening requirements
Great Job Japan! Hopefully other countries follow.
I heard that Japan’s population was really exploding, this makes total sense 😳
Reduce working hours. This will increase productivity because workload won’t change and you just gotta get it done in the timeframe.
Equals productivity in the real world.
Zero impact on the metrics, but natural population growth will increase significantly as a result (relative to current levels).
Ya gotta let romance play out big gov.
lol imagine living with massive restrictions on everything possible for 10 years just for the opportunity to become a citizen. They don’t want you there. It’s fairly obvious from the requirements and restrictions on non citizens
Would love to visit and see their nature but I have zero interest in living in a place I’m not welcome.
I know they say Japan is in a “population crisis” but I mean, I think there problems aren’t population numbers. Japan has 123 million people, 34 million-ish of which live in the greater Tokyo area (14 million in the city proper).
For perspective New Zealand is technically 40% smaller than the whole of Japan with a population of 5.5 million people. 3x the population in just one city is fucking wild, imagine trying to interact and meet people/perspective partners in what is essentially a massive cluster fuck of people. Japan should incentivise spreading out the population to the rest of the country, they have great transport systems already in place. Rolling out upgrades to services outside of cities and incentivising people out of cities and things such as reduced period on citizenship etc for living in said towns would probably solve a lot of their issues.
That’ll show those gaijin, the source of all our problems.
I was just about to leave for.japan and start enjoying the grueling work life balance there….
Drats!
Won’t be surprised if they stopped handing out citizenship ever
Our population is collapsing! Quick! What do we do! I have an idea sir, here hold my sake while I present my plan…
I’m sure that will solve their demographic issue.
I’ve heard so many stories about foreigners in Japan speaking Japanese and people pretending not to understand them. And once again we see a country is willing to do anything but improve the standard of living. Kicking the can down the road
I have an old Chinese friend who applied to become a citizen after being there for 5 years, but my ex said that he spent majority of 2023-24 submitting paperwork because the process was that tedious.
For comparison’s sake;
France – 5 years continuous residence (2 if you complete higher education there)
Germany – 5 years legal residence (2 for marrying a citizen or “outstanding integration” – includes passing financial years, German language tests and civics tests)
UK – 5 years with specific limits on time spent abroad (max 90 days in the last year and max 450 days total) or 3 years for marrying a citizen (which also reduces days abroad to 270)
Italy – 10 years for non-EU citizens, 4 years for EU citizens, 3 years for those of Italian descent or who were born in Italy, 5 years for refugees
US – 5 years *after* getting your Green Card or 3 years after getting it. Getting the card itself can often add 1 to many years to this depending on path taken
Who sane would go live to Japan, lol.
Why do I always hear about population decline fears? If this is your immigration policy don’t expect any sympathy.
There is a big push worldwide against immigration. We all know the leftist speaking points that you must comply with mass immigration or die. Shockingly, not everyone has the same goals. Not everyone wants to import mass quantities of people who don’t share the same values, language, or cultures because they want cheap agriculture or increasing real estate values. It’s easy to sling mud from your cushy, ivory towers, but is a real concern.
If you look at housing costs and crime alone in any area with mass immigration (let alone the complete cultural shift of any norms), the results have not been ideal. I do not foresee birth rates changing anytime soon. I’d bet we see more of a solve through AI more than anything else.
Who would want to live there lol
Somehow they avoid all the epithets that get assigned to other particular nations when they pursue the same policies, strange.
Let me guess, people are fleeing USA?