„Google has accused Britain of threatening to stifle free speech in an escalation of US opposition to online safety rules.
The regulator Ofcom is planning to prevent posts going viral that include “potentially illegal” material, such as hate speech or calls to violence.
However, Google warned that proposals to require tech giants to detect and suppress such “potentially illegal” posts risk “undermining users’ rights to freedom of expression”.
Google said the measures would “necessarily result in legal content being made less likely to be encountered by users, impacting users’ freedom of expression, beyond what the [Online Safety] Act intended”.
Ofcom rejected the claims this weekend, insisting there was “nothing in our proposals that would require sites and apps to take down legal content”.“
Resist this with everything you have.
BobMonkhaus on
So are Google and 4Chan on the same side? Wasn’t expecting that one.
bobblebob100 on
„Donald Trump’s allies have repeatedly criticised Britain’s pioneering legislative attempt to curb abuse and other harms online.“
I cant think why Trumps allies would criticise legislation that tried to curb hate speech and voilence
Goosepond01 on
not that google are in any way a paragon of virtue or anything but I do find it very concerning how the UK and many other countries are continually pushing for more and more censorship online, often under the guise of protecting children or protecting society.
Popular-Jury7272 on
While I think we should all push back against things like this, Google are already fine with moderating away content *they* don’t like, so it is perfectly clear they don’t give a shit about free speech.
Impressive-Bird-6085 on
Google only cares about monopolising its markets and dictating government policy…
TweeSpam on
I can’t remember Google publicly attacking or lobbying against China’s censorship when Google operated there. Funny that.
greenpowerman99 on
Google want the right to psychologically manipulate you.
Their algorithm is designed to keep you looking at your screen as long as possible so you can be shown advertisements.
That’s their business model; not spreading knowledge and free speech, rather cynical capitalism regardless of collateral damage.
Unregulated so-called social media advertising platforms are a clear and present danger to democracies around the world, for profit…
Asleep-Ad1182 on
It’s insane that this sub seems to be fine with the fact that we have no free speech in this country.
Anyales on
I do not like the governments nanny state approach but lets not get fooled by US government propaganda. The republicans have already passed similar laws in the US.
They are correct as the OSA requires platforms to pro-actively remove priority harmful content and also to prevent content harmful to children from going into recommender systems.
This is prior restraint censorship. You are censored before even being able to publish.
The only way you can do that proactively is with mass AI and algorithmic moderation. This moderation uses keywords and perceptual hash matching image recognition.
For some types of content like CSAM it’s very good and accurate. For others like ‘what is a public order offence, or terrorism, or misogyny that are highly contextual and difficult to judge it’s awful.
The OSA created mass censorship where all the penalties on firms are for non compliance and the only free speech duty is a legally weak duty to ‘have particular regard to free expression.
TheEndIsFingNigh on
Google can suck my white ass. These tech companies are overstepping boundaries and should be fined to remind them of this.
Astriania on
There is a legitimate argument that the lines about what is potentially harmful in the OSA are too fuzzy, and there needs to be more guidance and an assurance that good faith efforts won’t result in a big fine.
But there really isn’t an argument that content providers shouldn’t be responsible for the content they publish. This type of material is *already* illegal, and if I print out leaflets and hand them out in the town square I’ll get fined. Why should that be different when it’s published online?
There’s a different question about whether „incitement to religious hatred“ should be illegal in the first place – in my opinion that gets too close to suppressing criticism of religious ideologies.
Tech companies do have a responsibility to manage the content they publish, and they constantly try to shirk it because it costs them money.
Celestial__Peach on
Anyone who says its about ‚protecting children‘ should be on a list. It was never about protection
OkCurve436 on
You only have to see the lack of censorship on scam websites that litter Facebook adverts to know they and Google don’t give a stuff as long as it pays money. I’ve tried countless times to complain about offensive adverts (to me) on Google mail and they do precisely nothing.
As much as Trump wouldn’t like it, the internet like other forms of communication should have rules governing what is acceptable. Like other forms of communication there has to be a boundary between free and unacceptable speech.
ParrotofDoom on
Google, through YT, is actually paying people who create outrage content. Dickheads like Charles Veitch are paid money by Google, who sell advertising space on his videos. Videos that get lots of clicks because outrage and anger are addictive.
I don’t think such channels should be banned, but do we think it’s a good idea for people to be paid to walk around town centres, pissing people off and getting into fights?
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„Google has accused Britain of threatening to stifle free speech in an escalation of US opposition to online safety rules.
The regulator Ofcom is planning to prevent posts going viral that include “potentially illegal” material, such as hate speech or calls to violence.
However, Google warned that proposals to require tech giants to detect and suppress such “potentially illegal” posts risk “undermining users’ rights to freedom of expression”.
Google said the measures would “necessarily result in legal content being made less likely to be encountered by users, impacting users’ freedom of expression, beyond what the [Online Safety] Act intended”.
Ofcom rejected the claims this weekend, insisting there was “nothing in our proposals that would require sites and apps to take down legal content”.“
Resist this with everything you have.
So are Google and 4Chan on the same side? Wasn’t expecting that one.
„Donald Trump’s allies have repeatedly criticised Britain’s pioneering legislative attempt to curb abuse and other harms online.“
I cant think why Trumps allies would criticise legislation that tried to curb hate speech and voilence
not that google are in any way a paragon of virtue or anything but I do find it very concerning how the UK and many other countries are continually pushing for more and more censorship online, often under the guise of protecting children or protecting society.
While I think we should all push back against things like this, Google are already fine with moderating away content *they* don’t like, so it is perfectly clear they don’t give a shit about free speech.
Google only cares about monopolising its markets and dictating government policy…
I can’t remember Google publicly attacking or lobbying against China’s censorship when Google operated there. Funny that.
Google want the right to psychologically manipulate you.
Their algorithm is designed to keep you looking at your screen as long as possible so you can be shown advertisements.
That’s their business model; not spreading knowledge and free speech, rather cynical capitalism regardless of collateral damage.
Unregulated so-called social media advertising platforms are a clear and present danger to democracies around the world, for profit…
It’s insane that this sub seems to be fine with the fact that we have no free speech in this country.
I do not like the governments nanny state approach but lets not get fooled by US government propaganda. The republicans have already passed similar laws in the US.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63ny02d8po
They are correct as the OSA requires platforms to pro-actively remove priority harmful content and also to prevent content harmful to children from going into recommender systems.
This is prior restraint censorship. You are censored before even being able to publish.
The only way you can do that proactively is with mass AI and algorithmic moderation. This moderation uses keywords and perceptual hash matching image recognition.
For some types of content like CSAM it’s very good and accurate. For others like ‘what is a public order offence, or terrorism, or misogyny that are highly contextual and difficult to judge it’s awful.
The OSA created mass censorship where all the penalties on firms are for non compliance and the only free speech duty is a legally weak duty to ‘have particular regard to free expression.
Google can suck my white ass. These tech companies are overstepping boundaries and should be fined to remind them of this.
There is a legitimate argument that the lines about what is potentially harmful in the OSA are too fuzzy, and there needs to be more guidance and an assurance that good faith efforts won’t result in a big fine.
But there really isn’t an argument that content providers shouldn’t be responsible for the content they publish. This type of material is *already* illegal, and if I print out leaflets and hand them out in the town square I’ll get fined. Why should that be different when it’s published online?
There’s a different question about whether „incitement to religious hatred“ should be illegal in the first place – in my opinion that gets too close to suppressing criticism of religious ideologies.
Tech companies do have a responsibility to manage the content they publish, and they constantly try to shirk it because it costs them money.
Anyone who says its about ‚protecting children‘ should be on a list. It was never about protection
You only have to see the lack of censorship on scam websites that litter Facebook adverts to know they and Google don’t give a stuff as long as it pays money. I’ve tried countless times to complain about offensive adverts (to me) on Google mail and they do precisely nothing.
As much as Trump wouldn’t like it, the internet like other forms of communication should have rules governing what is acceptable. Like other forms of communication there has to be a boundary between free and unacceptable speech.
Google, through YT, is actually paying people who create outrage content. Dickheads like Charles Veitch are paid money by Google, who sell advertising space on his videos. Videos that get lots of clicks because outrage and anger are addictive.
I don’t think such channels should be banned, but do we think it’s a good idea for people to be paid to walk around town centres, pissing people off and getting into fights?