Bit of a misleading headline. He wasn’t an intruder. He broke into the guys car. Killing someone for that is obviously way over the top. An intruder in your house is a very different matter.
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I mean that’s outrageously over the top. He could’ve just shouted at him and the young fella probably would’ve legged it.
Rinasoir on
Unpopular opinion on here probably, but I think this is well deserved. Going at the man with a knife when he’s breaking into cars (and yes I’ve had cars at my home broken into so I’m aware how shit it is) is a disproportionate response.
If he’d broken into the home? Different matter, but outside the house is where this happened so the court got this right.
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TarzanCar on
Good result.
Complex_Hunter35 on
It was probably a moment of madness for the person who stabbed the thief. Things happen in the heat of the moment and the sentence is proportionate to the crime. As others have pointed out better to shout and call insurance. People should use reasonable force, if he broke the lads arm that would have been proportionate maybe? I am talking about in the context of defending your property whether it be car or house
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Leaving your house with a knife to stab someone that is breaking into your car is disproportionate.
ArcherVisible5866 on
He was outside and robbing his car, Running out with a knife and leaping to plung it into their chest is insane behaviour. You can’t defend your property like that unless they attack you
RIFwasmuchbetter on
He wouldn’t have gotten stabbed to death if he wasn’t robbing someone else’s things.
Lonely_Eggplant_4990 on
Never ever ever grab a knife. Nothing good will come of it.
He could have picked up a hurl or a golf club and gone to town on yer mans legs and hands and be still laughing about it down the pub tonight. Alas.
SamSquanch16 on
If he’d grabbed a hurley then the young lad would, most likely, be alive and the property owner not facing a conviction for killing someone.
StunningQuality4555 on
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No loss to society, except the father who’ll face prison time and his 4 kids will have to visit him in prison.
Breaking into someone’s home / vehicle or stealing their possessions is one of the most egregious forms of invading one’s privacy.
Maybe if there were tangible consequences- be that sentencing or criminals actually facing potential harm; will we see a more responsible society. No to guns in the home by the way.
vinceswish on
Beating should have been enough, even Garda wouldn’t mind that.
Although if this would have been a home invasion I would see no issue with that.
hisDudeness1989 on
Lad watched american history X too many times
JackhusChanhus on
Good, fatally stabbing someone for trying to steal a car is American shit we do not need. If you must intervene, yell or give him a hidin. Otherwise call the Garda and insurer.
Sad-Orange-5983 on
>He said only the defence of justifiable force can result in a verdict of not guilty but either justifiable force or provocation can result in a verdict of manslaughter.
Think manslaughter is the right verdict here. It would be a stretch to say it was justifiable so I don’t think ’not guilty‘ would’ve been appropriate.
Ok_Imagination_9334 on
The poor “boy”. Guess he would still be alive if he didn’t break into other people’s stuff..
Atleast he won’t reoffend.
CT0292 on
Thieving has a pretty high turnover rate as far as careers go huh?
cterevinto on
> „I say that is clearly murder. How could it be anything else to stab a boy in the chest and to do it deliberately, how could you intend anything other than serious injury?“ she said.
A 20-years-old is far from „a boy“. He is (was) a man that was breaking into cars, deliberatively.
ThreeTreesForTheePls on
“Intruder” is one *severely* disingenuous title.
He broke into a BMW in a garden and he was stabbed to death because of it. The family were not in danger, he was not in danger, but he saw someone in his BMW, ran out with a knife, and stabbed him in the chest.
Do not get it remotely mixed up, I fucking **hate** the epidemic of thieving bastards we have seen in Dublin and it rises every day.
But fucking come on, running out into your garden with a knife, then screaming that you’re protecting your family is absolutely madness.
Well sentenced, feel for the family, but if we start supporting a form of vigilante justice in which we all say “fuck around and find out” as if breaking into a BMW is worthy of a literal death sentence..
Cmon now lads some of you are a bit over the edge here and it’s extremely disconcerting.
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strokejammer on
The amount of wankers here pretending they’d jump into action and kill someone is laughable! Fuck off the lot of you with your yankee stand your ground bullshit!
This guy was not in any danger. He put himself in danger!
If someone is breaking into your shit, then call the guards or get a dog.
I have thousands in tools and equipment in my yard, but if left my woman and kids to go confront someone breaking in, my wife would have a fit!
I definitely would not be seen as a hero…
Those of you saying you’d do the same as this guy are absolutely full of it!
Rogue7559 on
So we let feral scrotes run wild but god forbid you do something about it yourself.
NotAnotherOne2024 on
Pity for the lad but great that there’s one less scumbag out there.
Ok_Engine_9822 on
Better punishment than the courts could dish out
TryToHelpPeople on
This is just the beginning. The courts have abdicated their responsibility when it comes to street crime, we’re going to see more of this from people who have had enough.
Stuff like this happening is what country’s have justice systems.
The_Ruck_Inspector on
Ah so a 20 year old man is a boy now?
Spiritual_Athlete980 on
The DPP need to publish a clear framework of what is acceptable in defending your home and belongings. It would be a blood hard thing to do though
Running out and stabbing a robber seems very disproportionate but how was the defendant supposed to know the deceased wasn’t armed with a knife himself..is he supposed to ask him before he picks up a knife himself? Cos if he goes to tackle the fella even armed with a hurl and the fella has a knife he’s fucked himself
We unfortunately live in a society where you’re better off letting the criminals take what they want as the potential repercussions of getting involved can be life changing or even fatal
Anorak27s on
No fucking wonder the scumbags are doing whatever they want in this country, look at the amount of people defending them here.
Important-Messages on
Was the robber armed?
By default he was likely carrying tools that could have been weaponsied (crowbars and large pointed scredrivers).
Was there any element of self-defence?
disturbed_elmo1 on
So he’s to protect the life of someone who has no regard for the law while simultaneously trying to protect himself abiding to the law. The government would rather he got stabbed himself
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He should have invited him in and made him tea.
Bit of a misleading headline. He wasn’t an intruder. He broke into the guys car. Killing someone for that is obviously way over the top. An intruder in your house is a very different matter.
I mean that’s outrageously over the top. He could’ve just shouted at him and the young fella probably would’ve legged it.
Unpopular opinion on here probably, but I think this is well deserved. Going at the man with a knife when he’s breaking into cars (and yes I’ve had cars at my home broken into so I’m aware how shit it is) is a disproportionate response.
If he’d broken into the home? Different matter, but outside the house is where this happened so the court got this right.
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Good result.
It was probably a moment of madness for the person who stabbed the thief. Things happen in the heat of the moment and the sentence is proportionate to the crime. As others have pointed out better to shout and call insurance. People should use reasonable force, if he broke the lads arm that would have been proportionate maybe? I am talking about in the context of defending your property whether it be car or house
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Leaving your house with a knife to stab someone that is breaking into your car is disproportionate.
He was outside and robbing his car, Running out with a knife and leaping to plung it into their chest is insane behaviour. You can’t defend your property like that unless they attack you
He wouldn’t have gotten stabbed to death if he wasn’t robbing someone else’s things.
Never ever ever grab a knife. Nothing good will come of it.
He could have picked up a hurl or a golf club and gone to town on yer mans legs and hands and be still laughing about it down the pub tonight. Alas.
If he’d grabbed a hurley then the young lad would, most likely, be alive and the property owner not facing a conviction for killing someone.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No loss to society, except the father who’ll face prison time and his 4 kids will have to visit him in prison.
Breaking into someone’s home / vehicle or stealing their possessions is one of the most egregious forms of invading one’s privacy.
Maybe if there were tangible consequences- be that sentencing or criminals actually facing potential harm; will we see a more responsible society. No to guns in the home by the way.
Beating should have been enough, even Garda wouldn’t mind that.
Although if this would have been a home invasion I would see no issue with that.
Lad watched american history X too many times
Good, fatally stabbing someone for trying to steal a car is American shit we do not need. If you must intervene, yell or give him a hidin. Otherwise call the Garda and insurer.
>He said only the defence of justifiable force can result in a verdict of not guilty but either justifiable force or provocation can result in a verdict of manslaughter.
Think manslaughter is the right verdict here. It would be a stretch to say it was justifiable so I don’t think ’not guilty‘ would’ve been appropriate.
The poor “boy”. Guess he would still be alive if he didn’t break into other people’s stuff..
Atleast he won’t reoffend.
Thieving has a pretty high turnover rate as far as careers go huh?
> „I say that is clearly murder. How could it be anything else to stab a boy in the chest and to do it deliberately, how could you intend anything other than serious injury?“ she said.
A 20-years-old is far from „a boy“. He is (was) a man that was breaking into cars, deliberatively.
“Intruder” is one *severely* disingenuous title.
He broke into a BMW in a garden and he was stabbed to death because of it. The family were not in danger, he was not in danger, but he saw someone in his BMW, ran out with a knife, and stabbed him in the chest.
Do not get it remotely mixed up, I fucking **hate** the epidemic of thieving bastards we have seen in Dublin and it rises every day.
But fucking come on, running out into your garden with a knife, then screaming that you’re protecting your family is absolutely madness.
Well sentenced, feel for the family, but if we start supporting a form of vigilante justice in which we all say “fuck around and find out” as if breaking into a BMW is worthy of a literal death sentence..
Cmon now lads some of you are a bit over the edge here and it’s extremely disconcerting.
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The amount of wankers here pretending they’d jump into action and kill someone is laughable! Fuck off the lot of you with your yankee stand your ground bullshit!
This guy was not in any danger. He put himself in danger!
If someone is breaking into your shit, then call the guards or get a dog.
I have thousands in tools and equipment in my yard, but if left my woman and kids to go confront someone breaking in, my wife would have a fit!
I definitely would not be seen as a hero…
Those of you saying you’d do the same as this guy are absolutely full of it!
So we let feral scrotes run wild but god forbid you do something about it yourself.
Pity for the lad but great that there’s one less scumbag out there.
Better punishment than the courts could dish out
This is just the beginning. The courts have abdicated their responsibility when it comes to street crime, we’re going to see more of this from people who have had enough.
Stuff like this happening is what country’s have justice systems.
Ah so a 20 year old man is a boy now?
The DPP need to publish a clear framework of what is acceptable in defending your home and belongings. It would be a blood hard thing to do though
Running out and stabbing a robber seems very disproportionate but how was the defendant supposed to know the deceased wasn’t armed with a knife himself..is he supposed to ask him before he picks up a knife himself? Cos if he goes to tackle the fella even armed with a hurl and the fella has a knife he’s fucked himself
We unfortunately live in a society where you’re better off letting the criminals take what they want as the potential repercussions of getting involved can be life changing or even fatal
No fucking wonder the scumbags are doing whatever they want in this country, look at the amount of people defending them here.
Was the robber armed?
By default he was likely carrying tools that could have been weaponsied (crowbars and large pointed scredrivers).
Was there any element of self-defence?
So he’s to protect the life of someone who has no regard for the law while simultaneously trying to protect himself abiding to the law. The government would rather he got stabbed himself