With a stated aim to turn us all into budding entrepreneurs- when most will use it for netflix, porn and the latest amazon/shein order.
jodrellbank_pants on
You want it you pay for it, landlord shouldn’t have to pay for it
yrro on
Pretty sure this was announced back under Theresa May’s tenure…
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[subsequent edit] it turns it was announced under Jobson:
> October 2019: Digital Secretary Nicky Morgan announced new laws to give broadband firms faster access to apartment blocks where landlords were unresponsive, aiming to connect 9 million people.
> Thanks to our new laws, millions of renters will no longer be prevented from getting a broadband upgrade due to the silence of their landlord, and those moving into newly built homes can be confident they’ll have access to the fastest speeds available from the day they move in.
So… was there a problem with that law? If not then why are we passing another one instead of actually running some fucking fibre!?
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Sod it, I couldn’t find a good article about it so I asked Gemini. Here’s the summary (written in my own words):
* The act only applies if a landlord is „entirely“ unresponsive. So a landlord can say „I’ll think about it“ and that’s the end of that.
* The process laid down in the act takes 2 months before a provider can apply to the first-tier tribunal to move things along: providers would rather move on to a more co-operative (and hence profitable) installation elsewhere.
* The act doesn’t apply if the landlord has not been asked (because their identity is unknown)
* The act grants temporary permission for access, not a permanent wayleave: installation is still too risky for providers.
Some of these would have been fixed by amendments that were not ultimately tabled or passed because parliament did not want to infringe on private property rights.
And here is me with a house on single-digit MB/s download speeds and 1MB/s upload speed on the most basic package available.
Edit: for the sake of clarity it’s 4 Megabyte download, 1 Megabyte upload in the east Midlands of the UK.
dazzou5ouh on
Plan the right to own cats first ffs, this is the only country where you can dump half a million on a flat to be told how to live. And mass delusion of people pretending it is okay because everyone else is doing it (Leasehold system)
JustGhostin on
This will cause serious issues for leaseholders when it comes to building safety cases, these companies do not care about safety and do not properly fire stop their work. A real “be careful what you wish for” situation is developing
Ninjaff on
Maybe I’m an old man but what are people using 1gb/s connections for? Especially in a flat. What can you possibly do that consistently needs these speeds? Does it fix the backlog of maintenance issues in the communal areas and scrape the mould off the walls?
TheGreatestOrator on
There’s literally no need for anyone to have gigabit internet though. Most people barely need 100mbps.
Your TV streaming in 4K only uses 15-20mbps, even less for lower quality streams (like we all watch because no one watches 4K). Your phone and laptop 5-10mbps at the most. Your security cameras also 5-10 for a live stream. Even if you have all of them streaming at the same time, with multiple TVs and multiple phones/laptops, you’d never need 1000mbps.
digidude23 on
CityFibre was available in my area but the building management and CityFibre were constantly blaming each other. Management say CityFibre doesn’t respond to their queries while CityFibre say management is refusing permission. Gave up after 6 months.
stray_r on
There’s a very expensive elephant in the room here, and the name is asbestos.
I’m in a fibre area, there’s fibre to the hole in the ground by my door, but it needs to run to the service trunk and back. Service trunk suddenly got boarded up asbestos hazard warnings on it.
Now I’m in a position where I’m in a fibre area and my ISP can’t provision any of the products it sells. So I’m stuck with not particularly reliable copper to the cabinet, but right now there’s enough compo stacked up on my account and I’m paying so little for it that it’ll be quite a while before I actually have to pay anything for shitty internet.
It’s enough to stream HD ok, but UHD Disney+ is flakey and falls over if my pc requires updates at the same time or I’m trying to summon a steam game, which takes forever for Starfield and BG3 size games.
Apparently I’m the only person amongst owners or renters that went as far as asking to thier isp to ask the building owner for a waybill (is that the right word?) for fibre. I’m assuming everyone hasn’t switched it upgraded thier broadband in forever and is massively overpaying for slow connections.
SecondLovatt on
As a nerd who had a fixation of getting good internet speeds during early 2000s, I can’t quite see the need for a Gigabit? I haven’t thought about my speeds in years, since Getting fibre everything’s basically instant except downloading games which tends to be throttled server side anyway.
wkavinsky on
Before I bought my house (and had gigabit internet installed, which only required drilling a hole through an external wall), the 8 year old new-build Bristol flat I rented did not have fibre internet installed to any of the flats, despite the neighbouring townhouses having had it for years.
It wasn’t possible to have in installed in my flat, because that required permission from an absent freeholder who couldn’t be contacted.
It’s a situation that absolutely needs to be legislated to give the owners of the flats the right permissions.
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With a stated aim to turn us all into budding entrepreneurs- when most will use it for netflix, porn and the latest amazon/shein order.
You want it you pay for it, landlord shouldn’t have to pay for it
Pretty sure this was announced back under Theresa May’s tenure…
—
[subsequent edit] it turns it was announced under Jobson:
> October 2019: Digital Secretary Nicky Morgan announced new laws to give broadband firms faster access to apartment blocks where landlords were unresponsive, aiming to connect 9 million people.
The Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Act was passed in 2021. And it came into effect in [2023](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-homeowners-and-tenants-to-get-better-access-to-faster-broadband):
> Thanks to our new laws, millions of renters will no longer be prevented from getting a broadband upgrade due to the silence of their landlord, and those moving into newly built homes can be confident they’ll have access to the fastest speeds available from the day they move in.
So… was there a problem with that law? If not then why are we passing another one instead of actually running some fucking fibre!?
—-
Sod it, I couldn’t find a good article about it so I asked Gemini. Here’s the summary (written in my own words):
* The act only applies if a landlord is „entirely“ unresponsive. So a landlord can say „I’ll think about it“ and that’s the end of that.
* The process laid down in the act takes 2 months before a provider can apply to the first-tier tribunal to move things along: providers would rather move on to a more co-operative (and hence profitable) installation elsewhere.
* The act doesn’t apply if the landlord has not been asked (because their identity is unknown)
* The act grants temporary permission for access, not a permanent wayleave: installation is still too risky for providers.
Some of these would have been fixed by amendments that were not ultimately tabled or passed because parliament did not want to infringe on private property rights.
[Link to the conversation](https://gemini.google.com/share/1b185f2e9481) if anyone wants the details.
And here is me with a house on single-digit MB/s download speeds and 1MB/s upload speed on the most basic package available.
Edit: for the sake of clarity it’s 4 Megabyte download, 1 Megabyte upload in the east Midlands of the UK.
Plan the right to own cats first ffs, this is the only country where you can dump half a million on a flat to be told how to live. And mass delusion of people pretending it is okay because everyone else is doing it (Leasehold system)
This will cause serious issues for leaseholders when it comes to building safety cases, these companies do not care about safety and do not properly fire stop their work. A real “be careful what you wish for” situation is developing
Maybe I’m an old man but what are people using 1gb/s connections for? Especially in a flat. What can you possibly do that consistently needs these speeds? Does it fix the backlog of maintenance issues in the communal areas and scrape the mould off the walls?
There’s literally no need for anyone to have gigabit internet though. Most people barely need 100mbps.
Your TV streaming in 4K only uses 15-20mbps, even less for lower quality streams (like we all watch because no one watches 4K). Your phone and laptop 5-10mbps at the most. Your security cameras also 5-10 for a live stream. Even if you have all of them streaming at the same time, with multiple TVs and multiple phones/laptops, you’d never need 1000mbps.
CityFibre was available in my area but the building management and CityFibre were constantly blaming each other. Management say CityFibre doesn’t respond to their queries while CityFibre say management is refusing permission. Gave up after 6 months.
There’s a very expensive elephant in the room here, and the name is asbestos.
I’m in a fibre area, there’s fibre to the hole in the ground by my door, but it needs to run to the service trunk and back. Service trunk suddenly got boarded up asbestos hazard warnings on it.
Now I’m in a position where I’m in a fibre area and my ISP can’t provision any of the products it sells. So I’m stuck with not particularly reliable copper to the cabinet, but right now there’s enough compo stacked up on my account and I’m paying so little for it that it’ll be quite a while before I actually have to pay anything for shitty internet.
It’s enough to stream HD ok, but UHD Disney+ is flakey and falls over if my pc requires updates at the same time or I’m trying to summon a steam game, which takes forever for Starfield and BG3 size games.
Apparently I’m the only person amongst owners or renters that went as far as asking to thier isp to ask the building owner for a waybill (is that the right word?) for fibre. I’m assuming everyone hasn’t switched it upgraded thier broadband in forever and is massively overpaying for slow connections.
As a nerd who had a fixation of getting good internet speeds during early 2000s, I can’t quite see the need for a Gigabit? I haven’t thought about my speeds in years, since Getting fibre everything’s basically instant except downloading games which tends to be throttled server side anyway.
Before I bought my house (and had gigabit internet installed, which only required drilling a hole through an external wall), the 8 year old new-build Bristol flat I rented did not have fibre internet installed to any of the flats, despite the neighbouring townhouses having had it for years.
It wasn’t possible to have in installed in my flat, because that required permission from an absent freeholder who couldn’t be contacted.
It’s a situation that absolutely needs to be legislated to give the owners of the flats the right permissions.