I still think McPherson is going to get MacKay’d, yes she’s the most electable, but the activist base doesn’t care about electability, and nobody will list her as their second choice. It’s either win on the first ballot, or lose on the last. The other candidates will probably sign up enough new members that she simply doesn’t have enough existing memberships to win.
KvotheG on
McPherson is the NDP establishment candidate. She represents the same NDP that Layton, Mulcair, and Singh were selling to voters. This kind of party looks electable on paper, but it’s really more of the same which will yield similar results. This party has suffered from differentiating themselves significantly from the Liberals, and they plateaued with Layton.
Meanwhile, you have someone like Ashton, a union boss, who’s trying to return the NDP to their Labour roots, all while using populist messaging. You can’t out-centrist the centrists, and Ashton knows that. I’m curious if he’ll be successful in cutting into McPherson’s support.
enki-42 on
I think the heavily triangulated, capture the widest demographics possible, seats over principles style of campaigning is increasingly dead in the water, and doubly so for the NDP. People (of all political persuasions) have an appetite for someone who says they’re going to get something meaningful done and break from what people feel is a government that doesn’t work for them, and that will and should look a lot more radical IMO.
Knight_Machiavelli on
I’m impressed by her. The only time I’ve ever voted NDP was in 2019 under Mulcair, but McPhearson is saying all the right things. Unfortunately my local MP is Davies and idk if I want to help get him re-elected, but McPhearson might persuade me.
PineBNorth85 on
Ok. I can’t take anyone saying that seriously unless they’ve led a party to victory. She hasn’t. If say Rachel Notley was running and said that – sure. She isn’t.
Amtoj on
Look, if the most electable NDP is one that’s just the Trudeau Liberals, sure. I can live with that. But is it what an NDP voter wants? They’ll be in for infighting that makes Labour over in the UK look like they’re having a civil debate in comparison.
Godzilla52 on
Truth be told, I don’t think any NDP leader would be able to win an election in the next decade and the leadership now is going to be more about rebuilding the party and at the absolute best, putting it a position resembling 2011 or 2015 if it does extremely well while either the Liberals or CPC do extremely poorly (which I’d still say would be an unlikely, but not unwelcome outcome)
I think McPherson is easily the best option right now. She has the most substantive platform & less unsubstantive/pie in the sky proposals than candidates like Ashton & Lewis etc. (things like Ashton’s job guarantee or Lewis’s state run grocery stores & wanting to build a million public homes in five years, which ignores that Canada never built more than 30,000 across both levels of government in a single year etc.) but I think that the federal NDP membership generally doesn’t want West Coast style NDP leadership, going off their rejection of Mulcair and would rather go for people like Ashton & Lewis even if it means the party struggles to appeal to voters outside of the NDP’s base similar to when Singh was leader etc.
I think the best political outcome for Canada would be a third-way/West Coast style federal NDP party under McPherson or someone similar becoming the head of opposition in the next election or two while the CPC falls to third party status via continuing to scare away it’s PC wing into arms of a Carney led LPC making the Liberals more of a mix between Chretien/Martin blue Liberals & Mulroney/Campbell style Progressive Conservatives etc. While it’s unlikely to happen, I feel like it would create the healthiest outcome for Canadian politics going forward and make politics more substantive/evidence driven and less hyper partisan while more voters across the political spectrum would get policies that they want etc.
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I still think McPherson is going to get MacKay’d, yes she’s the most electable, but the activist base doesn’t care about electability, and nobody will list her as their second choice. It’s either win on the first ballot, or lose on the last. The other candidates will probably sign up enough new members that she simply doesn’t have enough existing memberships to win.
McPherson is the NDP establishment candidate. She represents the same NDP that Layton, Mulcair, and Singh were selling to voters. This kind of party looks electable on paper, but it’s really more of the same which will yield similar results. This party has suffered from differentiating themselves significantly from the Liberals, and they plateaued with Layton.
Meanwhile, you have someone like Ashton, a union boss, who’s trying to return the NDP to their Labour roots, all while using populist messaging. You can’t out-centrist the centrists, and Ashton knows that. I’m curious if he’ll be successful in cutting into McPherson’s support.
I think the heavily triangulated, capture the widest demographics possible, seats over principles style of campaigning is increasingly dead in the water, and doubly so for the NDP. People (of all political persuasions) have an appetite for someone who says they’re going to get something meaningful done and break from what people feel is a government that doesn’t work for them, and that will and should look a lot more radical IMO.
I’m impressed by her. The only time I’ve ever voted NDP was in 2019 under Mulcair, but McPhearson is saying all the right things. Unfortunately my local MP is Davies and idk if I want to help get him re-elected, but McPhearson might persuade me.
Ok. I can’t take anyone saying that seriously unless they’ve led a party to victory. She hasn’t. If say Rachel Notley was running and said that – sure. She isn’t.
Look, if the most electable NDP is one that’s just the Trudeau Liberals, sure. I can live with that. But is it what an NDP voter wants? They’ll be in for infighting that makes Labour over in the UK look like they’re having a civil debate in comparison.
Truth be told, I don’t think any NDP leader would be able to win an election in the next decade and the leadership now is going to be more about rebuilding the party and at the absolute best, putting it a position resembling 2011 or 2015 if it does extremely well while either the Liberals or CPC do extremely poorly (which I’d still say would be an unlikely, but not unwelcome outcome)
I think McPherson is easily the best option right now. She has the most substantive platform & less unsubstantive/pie in the sky proposals than candidates like Ashton & Lewis etc. (things like Ashton’s job guarantee or Lewis’s state run grocery stores & wanting to build a million public homes in five years, which ignores that Canada never built more than 30,000 across both levels of government in a single year etc.) but I think that the federal NDP membership generally doesn’t want West Coast style NDP leadership, going off their rejection of Mulcair and would rather go for people like Ashton & Lewis even if it means the party struggles to appeal to voters outside of the NDP’s base similar to when Singh was leader etc.
I think the best political outcome for Canada would be a third-way/West Coast style federal NDP party under McPherson or someone similar becoming the head of opposition in the next election or two while the CPC falls to third party status via continuing to scare away it’s PC wing into arms of a Carney led LPC making the Liberals more of a mix between Chretien/Martin blue Liberals & Mulroney/Campbell style Progressive Conservatives etc. While it’s unlikely to happen, I feel like it would create the healthiest outcome for Canadian politics going forward and make politics more substantive/evidence driven and less hyper partisan while more voters across the political spectrum would get policies that they want etc.