Was die USA der Ukraine antun, ist weitaus schlimmer als Jalta
https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/what-the-us-is-doing-to-ukraine-is
Von JackRogers3
Was die USA der Ukraine antun, ist weitaus schlimmer als Jalta
https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/what-the-us-is-doing-to-ukraine-is
Von JackRogers3
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Unfortunately the U.S. is currently in the grips of internal political weirdness and what looks like a drift into dysfunctional government and authoritarianism. It isn’t self correcting and the external projection of that is international relations chaos.
Whether this administration is just an aberration and we’ll eventually see a return to something approximating normality remains to be seen. It’s quite possible this is the just how the US is going to be in this era – unpredictable, chaotic, mercantile and transactional.
It’s a very dramatic shift though and it’s mostly just one man and his immediate group of supporters. What’s shocked me is how total the shift has been, how quickly it happened and how the U.S. system hasn’t withstood it – the US federal government has been completely altered and much of it dismantled in the space of less that a year.
It’s not just about European military independence or spending either – yes, there are issues to be addressed, but not by causing a crisis at an incredibly high risk moment, and a lot of the noise is political spin to provide domestic cover an ideology of undermining the EU and NATO. The structures have been suddenly dismantled and there’s an underlying agenda about disrupting all of the status quo positions both domestically and in international relations.
We’re in a very strange situation and the ability to respond to it is quite limited – long lead times and complex interdependencies that can’t just be completely replaced in months.
Nothing has actually happened yet. It’s just Trump demanding a surrender again. Zelensky refused multiple times before. „security guarantees“ won’t actually happen and be accepted by Russia
Bold of you to assume the Trump admin pays any attention to history besides their bank statements
Hi All,
If history does not exactly repeat itself (and it does not) then it does often rhyme. What we are seeing from the Trump administration is unprecedented in its betrayal of Ukraine. The US is now acting like an agent of Vladimir Putin’s dictatorship in bullying democratic Ukraine to surrender parts of it territory, a wealth of natural resources and millions of its people to Putin’s brutal rule. The USA is not negotiating between Ukraine and Russia, it is putting enormous pressure on Ukraine to agree to a deal that *might* appeal to Putin. This is what I mean when I say that the US is now the enemy of freedom. It wants to strengthen dictatorships at the expense of democracies.
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However there are some interesting historical comparisons that people are making—the rhymes as it were. The one most commonly thrown around in US history is Franklin Roosevelt at Yalta. In this case the US supposedly accepted the expansion of brutal totalitarian rule over countries that wished to be their allies. Aha, we are told, Trump is nothing new. The USA has in the past sold out possible allies into dictatorial rule.
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Roosevelt and Stalin at Yalta. This was a fundamentally different situation than the one we are seeing between Trump and Putin.
Btw, before Donald Trump took over the Republican Party, you could reliably expect to hear any Democratic attempt to reach a compromise deal [described by Republicans as a potential sell-out ](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-yalta-conference-at-seventy-five-lessons-from-history/)of the type Franklin Roosevelt supposedly did at the Yalta Conference (February 4-11, 1945). Ronald Reagan, for example, was a constant critic of Roosevelt’s actions at Yalta, with examples ranging from the 1950s [through his two terms in office](https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/statement-40th-anniversary-yalta-conference).
The widely shared Republican critique was that the Roosevelt too easily trusted Stalin, deferred to the USSR and as a result [consigned half of Europe to totalitarian rule for generations](https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/02/05/President-Reagan-said-Tuesday-he-would-like-to-erase/3967476427600/).
So it is rather bitterly ironic today that it is the GOP, after decades of attacking FDR for “betraying” Poland, that is using all of America’s might to betray and weaken a democratic Ukraine. That being said, what Trump is doing is far far worse than anything FDR was accused of. To understand just how large the differences are, I will start with a short primer on Yalta and FDR.
**Roosevelt and Yalta**
What happened factually at Yalta is actually not an area of disagreement. Roosevelt went to the conference, in the Crimea, with Stalin and Churchill to try and work out some growing problems between the Big Three over the shape of post-war Europe. When it came to Eastern Europe, and in particular Poland, FDR wanted to convince Stalin to allow some democratic influence into a new Polish government. He was faced with a great dilemma on Poland. He very much would have wanted a free Poland with a pro-western alignment, but Poland was entirely occupied by Stalin’s Red Army, and it was Stalin who was establishing the facts on the ground.
In particular Stalin refused to have anything to do with the pre-war Polish government (which had been recognized by the USA) and had installed a new pro-Communist “Lublin” government which was preparing to do his bidding.
America will never live down the Ukrainian betrayal.
America should not be trusted. If they have something to give Ukraine, Ukraine should take, if they just demand from Ukraine, then we as Europe should ignore.
regardless of your opinion of him, at the end of the day stalin was an ally, putin is not, so the comparison doesn’t apply
what’s happening now would be more like roosevelt meeting with hitler, and trying to get stalin to turn over poland to him, it’s a betrayal of not only american allies but the american public too
Personal greed is the main reason.
>The primary difference between FDR at Yalta and Trump today is that Trump could easily stand up to Putin’s dictatorship were he so inclined
Oooookay, I am pretty sure that’s not the case, since another „primary difference“ between FDR and Trump is existence of nukes. Stop living in the fantasyland guys. If we we living in your fantasyland, Biden would have acted differently in 100% of the situations and thousands of reasonably old Abrams wouldn’t be dusting in Nevada and Arizona. They’d be in Ukraine in 2022 already.
>It cannot conquer Ukraine, indeed Russia is suffering massive casualties and has taken less than 20% of Ukraine overall (including what was seized starting in 2014).
Great argument, if Russia was going to occupy Ukraine as a result of a deal. But…. I don’t think so?… Neither is the assumption that this is a classical for terriory war a very accurate one. This is hybrid, attrition at best, war….
If Ukraine ever gets conquered it’s going to be thanks to baboons like the ones who wrote this article that keep yapping that Ukraine can fight forever
>If the US wanted to help Ukraine win, Russia could be defeated by the Ukrainians doing the fighting and the US providing the support.
And how will the peace be achieved?? Because once Ukraine has upper hand it’s going to want Crimea back like in 2022. Is author proposing to decrease support for Ukraine in that case? Gon be full circle init