.. and they can’t be from the US, because those are utterly worthless now.
WittyInvestigator779 on
What about the last security guarantees we didn’t honour?
Long-Application-976 on
Does Starmer know he can give guarantees too?
anders_hansson on
Good to hear that shift in policy, seeing as Johnson explicitly said that we wouldn’t agree to any security guarantees.
Next step: From words to action.
Scar3cr0w_ on
And it’s doomed with them.
One side won’t accept their inclusion, the other won’t accept their exclusion. But we cannot give in to Russia.
Not
One
Inch
babarjango on
Starmer: No deal without guarantees.
Translation: „We’ll send thoughts/prayers + 2B POUNDS in aid til 2030.“
whatitbeitis on
Europe has a great opportunity to unite and provide that security guarantee. Between France, Poland, and the UK they have enough military strength to do just that.
The rest of Europe can provide financial support while building their militaries to contribute in the future.
No need at all to rely on the United States for anything to support Ukraine.
NoAccident6637 on
The last deal had security guarantees… that didn’t work out to great for Ukraine. Give Ukraine its nuclear weapons back. That is the closest they will get to security. Can’t rely on America.
Altruistic_Ad_0 on
They are waiting for someone else to act.
spastical-mackerel on
Guarantees backed up by meaningful forces deployed to Ukraine and the Baltics. Next time Russia wants to mess around they should have to confront actual NATO forces in the first hour.
Ancient_Ship2980 on
NATO/Article 5-style guarantees would not suffice without „boots on the ground.“ The Trump Administration is obviously not going to station troops in Ukraine as a back-stop for a peace agreement. The European so-called „Coalition of the Willing“ could do so, but that would require a lot of negotiations and hand-holding among the signatories of any such European agreement to station military forces in Ukraine. Moreover, any such European force in Ukraine would require logistical and intelligence support from the U.S.
It pains me to say this, but I cannot see Trump or the Trump Administration doing that. Finally, how does it make sense to be discussing these things when it does not seem likely that Putin and Russia are ever going to accept any peace agreement or even cease fire that is remotely acceptable to Ukraine or it’s European allies? Ukraine and Europe are going to have to figure out some way of changing this equation to make Russian military operations in Ukraine unsustainable and force Putin to reassess his adamant resistance to genuine peace or cease fire negotiations. That is a very tall order and would require a large increase in the already considerable European military aid to Ukraine.
Amazing-Loss-7762 on
No one will give security guarantees and even if they do no one is going to nuke war over ukraine. This us why this war hasn’t ended yet. Any security guarantees are not worth the paper there written on…Ukraine has guarantees after giving up the nukes…much good that did…
TrashCapable on
Anything that Trump is involved in is doomed.
lordchickenburger on
Good then step up Europe! You cunts are doing nothing to stop the war
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.. and they can’t be from the US, because those are utterly worthless now.
What about the last security guarantees we didn’t honour?
Does Starmer know he can give guarantees too?
Good to hear that shift in policy, seeing as Johnson explicitly said that we wouldn’t agree to any security guarantees.
Next step: From words to action.
And it’s doomed with them.
One side won’t accept their inclusion, the other won’t accept their exclusion. But we cannot give in to Russia.
Not
One
Inch
Starmer: No deal without guarantees.
Translation: „We’ll send thoughts/prayers + 2B POUNDS in aid til 2030.“
Europe has a great opportunity to unite and provide that security guarantee. Between France, Poland, and the UK they have enough military strength to do just that.
The rest of Europe can provide financial support while building their militaries to contribute in the future.
No need at all to rely on the United States for anything to support Ukraine.
The last deal had security guarantees… that didn’t work out to great for Ukraine. Give Ukraine its nuclear weapons back. That is the closest they will get to security. Can’t rely on America.
They are waiting for someone else to act.
Guarantees backed up by meaningful forces deployed to Ukraine and the Baltics. Next time Russia wants to mess around they should have to confront actual NATO forces in the first hour.
NATO/Article 5-style guarantees would not suffice without „boots on the ground.“ The Trump Administration is obviously not going to station troops in Ukraine as a back-stop for a peace agreement. The European so-called „Coalition of the Willing“ could do so, but that would require a lot of negotiations and hand-holding among the signatories of any such European agreement to station military forces in Ukraine. Moreover, any such European force in Ukraine would require logistical and intelligence support from the U.S.
It pains me to say this, but I cannot see Trump or the Trump Administration doing that. Finally, how does it make sense to be discussing these things when it does not seem likely that Putin and Russia are ever going to accept any peace agreement or even cease fire that is remotely acceptable to Ukraine or it’s European allies? Ukraine and Europe are going to have to figure out some way of changing this equation to make Russian military operations in Ukraine unsustainable and force Putin to reassess his adamant resistance to genuine peace or cease fire negotiations. That is a very tall order and would require a large increase in the already considerable European military aid to Ukraine.
No one will give security guarantees and even if they do no one is going to nuke war over ukraine. This us why this war hasn’t ended yet. Any security guarantees are not worth the paper there written on…Ukraine has guarantees after giving up the nukes…much good that did…
Anything that Trump is involved in is doomed.
Good then step up Europe! You cunts are doing nothing to stop the war