~~developing~~ copying another fully reusable rocket
RonaldWRailgun on
Ah yes yes, the impressive Déjàvu-1.
5up3rK4m16uru on
Rather small for full reusability, and I’m not sure if the chosen design scales down that well.
Texas_Kimchi on
Yeah another copy and pasted design.
DreamChaserSt on
On the website, it translates to „Starship-1.“
So this is basically a Nova class rocket with a similar body design as Starship (and an incomplete heatshield?).
zombieda on
China develops fully reusable Stareship
Dutchwells on
I feel like I’ve seen this before somewhere 🧐
Koko-G79 on
Just copiers, never innovators.
marr75 on
I’m just happy they’ve embraced making temu/shein versions of things. Some people would be embarrassed.
MoreLikeWestfailia on
Man, Temu is getting out of hand
silicondioxides on
Just China doing China things
Master__of_Orion on
Reminds me of… I don’t know exactly. There is something familiar with it.
3nderslime on
Ah, yes. Legally distinct Superheavy rocket.
UserAbuser53 on
When your space program espionage is from Temu
Zuliano1 on
Blatant… but as they say in engineering, if everyone is copying you then it means you are doing things well, in the end you just cannot cheat physics.
doctor_lobo on
I can’t help but admire the irony of China stealing rocketry technology from the West.
BeerPoweredNonsense on
Why does the heat shield only cover part of the body of the upper stage?
EDIT: my bad. I ignored the article as it’s in Chinese, and my knowledge of Chinese is… limited.
But there **is** a graphic that shows that the black part is actually the cargo door. Which is painted black. But then where is heat shield?
succed32 on
The same country that couldn’t keep fuel in its ballistic missiles?
Ithirahad on
Downvoted because Reddit cannot talk about this maturely to the point where there is little reason for this thread to have visibility on the sub.
Yes, we too can use our eyes. The concept uses Starship’s planform. Are Airbus and Boeing copying De Havilland? Is Embraer copying Boeing? When all things are said and done, some designs will look a certain way because that is the configuration that *works* for the intended purpose.
Additionally, Chinese space investment markets seem to reward claiming that you will do whatever the leading Western firms did most recently. This results in a lot of carbon-copy concept art to bait investment. The final product may look nothing like this, if there is a final product at all.
gophergun on
As much as it’s fun to rag on China for making a bootleg Starship, the laws of physics are the same no matter where you go. There’s no sense reinventing the wheel.
Decronym on
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|——-|———|—|
|[30X](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu063mc „Last usage“)|SpaceX-proprietary carbon steel formulation (*“Thirty-X“, „Thirty-Times“*)|
|[ESA](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu18zl6 „Last usage“)|European Space Agency|
|[FFSC](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|Full-Flow Staged Combustion|
|[ITAR](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu1fxck „Last usage“)|(US) International Traffic in Arms Regulations|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu025q0 „Last usage“)|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[NG](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu1vuvc „Last usage“)|New Glenn, two/three-stage orbital vehicle by Blue Origin|
| |Natural Gas (as opposed to pure methane)|
| |Northrop Grumman, aerospace manufacturer|
|[RUD](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu0xn1t „Last usage“)|Rapid Unplanned Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unintended Disassembly|
|[TWR](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu13m2l „Last usage“)|Thrust-to-Weight Ratio|
|Jargon|Definition|
|——-|———|—|
|[Raptor](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|[Methane-fueled rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_(rocket_engine_family)) under development by SpaceX|
|[Starlink](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|SpaceX’s world-wide satellite broadband constellation|
|[ablative](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu139lj „Last usage“)|Material which is intentionally destroyed in use (for example, heatshields which burn away to dissipate heat)|
|[deep throttling](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu13m2l „Last usage“)|Operating an engine at much lower thrust than normal|
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Gee I wonder where they got the inspiration from.
~~developing~~ copying another fully reusable rocket
Ah yes yes, the impressive Déjàvu-1.
Rather small for full reusability, and I’m not sure if the chosen design scales down that well.
Yeah another copy and pasted design.
On the website, it translates to „Starship-1.“
So this is basically a Nova class rocket with a similar body design as Starship (and an incomplete heatshield?).
China develops fully reusable Stareship
I feel like I’ve seen this before somewhere 🧐
Just copiers, never innovators.
I’m just happy they’ve embraced making temu/shein versions of things. Some people would be embarrassed.
Man, Temu is getting out of hand
Just China doing China things
Reminds me of… I don’t know exactly. There is something familiar with it.
Ah, yes. Legally distinct Superheavy rocket.
When your space program espionage is from Temu
Blatant… but as they say in engineering, if everyone is copying you then it means you are doing things well, in the end you just cannot cheat physics.
I can’t help but admire the irony of China stealing rocketry technology from the West.
Why does the heat shield only cover part of the body of the upper stage?
EDIT: my bad. I ignored the article as it’s in Chinese, and my knowledge of Chinese is… limited.
But there **is** a graphic that shows that the black part is actually the cargo door. Which is painted black. But then where is heat shield?
The same country that couldn’t keep fuel in its ballistic missiles?
Downvoted because Reddit cannot talk about this maturely to the point where there is little reason for this thread to have visibility on the sub.
Yes, we too can use our eyes. The concept uses Starship’s planform. Are Airbus and Boeing copying De Havilland? Is Embraer copying Boeing? When all things are said and done, some designs will look a certain way because that is the configuration that *works* for the intended purpose.
Additionally, Chinese space investment markets seem to reward claiming that you will do whatever the leading Western firms did most recently. This results in a lot of carbon-copy concept art to bait investment. The final product may look nothing like this, if there is a final product at all.
As much as it’s fun to rag on China for making a bootleg Starship, the laws of physics are the same no matter where you go. There’s no sense reinventing the wheel.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|——-|———|—|
|[30X](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu063mc „Last usage“)|SpaceX-proprietary carbon steel formulation (*“Thirty-X“, „Thirty-Times“*)|
|[ESA](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu18zl6 „Last usage“)|European Space Agency|
|[FFSC](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|Full-Flow Staged Combustion|
|[ITAR](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu1fxck „Last usage“)|(US) International Traffic in Arms Regulations|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu025q0 „Last usage“)|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[NG](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu1vuvc „Last usage“)|New Glenn, two/three-stage orbital vehicle by Blue Origin|
| |Natural Gas (as opposed to pure methane)|
| |Northrop Grumman, aerospace manufacturer|
|[RUD](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu0xn1t „Last usage“)|Rapid Unplanned Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly|
| |Rapid Unintended Disassembly|
|[TWR](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu13m2l „Last usage“)|Thrust-to-Weight Ratio|
|Jargon|Definition|
|——-|———|—|
|[Raptor](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|[Methane-fueled rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_(rocket_engine_family)) under development by SpaceX|
|[Starlink](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/ntzvxam „Last usage“)|SpaceX’s world-wide satellite broadband constellation|
|[ablative](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu139lj „Last usage“)|Material which is intentionally destroyed in use (for example, heatshields which burn away to dissipate heat)|
|[deep throttling](/r/Space/comments/1pmg43f/stub/nu13m2l „Last usage“)|Operating an engine at much lower thrust than normal|
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And the company behind this is led by Yi Long Musk.
I swear I’ve seen this design before…somewhere.
It also means SpaceX is probably doing it correctly. (Though the USSR had the Buran. Both that and the Space Shuttle was kinda dumb).
I wonder where that got the design ideas for that thing.
Wow. It… Ah looks familiar.