I’d be cool with this but Silicon Valley will certainly buy its way out of any regulation.
MarknDC on
I’d prefer that it be banned for adults.
Edit: I guess I should have added /s, but I am not sure if I am being sarcastic. I think all the internet BS and misinformation is more harmful to society when adults (like those who vote..!) get sucked in. Maybe instead of banning, we turn off the share button and commenting? So the internet is more about media than socializing?
vriska1 on
Here a list of bad US internet bills and how to contact your Rep.
As to be expected, Australia is the “proof of concept”.
threeoldbeigecamaros on
There must be a lot of lobbying dollars behind this to be bi-partisan. So that means the social media companies are engaging in regulatory capture to cut off future competitors by denying them access to the users that made them dominate industry
doomnutz on
Can’t wait for VPN bans and internet ID’s ‘for the kids’
ABob71 on
„Patriot Act“ is taken already, any bets on what they’ll name this one
Skittle69 on
Me, who doesn’t trust the government to actually accurately protect the welfare of its citizens or companies to not be pieces of shit just for money:
„I guess we’re fucked.“
ComeOnIWantUsername on
Probably unpopular opinion, but I support banning kids from social media. I just have problems with its implementations
budahfurby on
Learn to fucking parent your children.
Bad parenting is the reason the Internet is dying. It’s a fucking joke.
Old-Scholar-1812 on
Can it be extended to citizens 70+ too. You know the ones running things?
Levix1221 on
The problem isn’t banning kids, it’s the age verification for adults. It’ll start with social media and seep into EVERY subscription service you have.
Everyone’s identity WILL be compromised and every company will continue to monitize your data with more specificity.
different_produce384 on
I love our politicians thinking , „let’s protect the kids!“ While simultaneously exposing them daily to a Child Rapist.
KillTheZombie45 on
Yeah, dont address problems constructively or rationally, just ban it and silence more people. Great Job. Can’t wait for the next wave of censorship to limit our freedoms.
isitatomic on
Maybe they can also push for a Brazil-style functioning legal system while they’re at it.
Ok_Garlic_815 on
Party like it’s 1999
TheNightHaunter on
How else are they gonna indocrinate kids that a genocide in palestine isn’t happening? It’s super bad i’m not even exagerrating, hilary clinton recently said this and obamas former speech writer
RoyalCities on
These laws are such BS. If social media is so toxic it makes more sense to regulate large social media companies rather than banning kids by way of having every Adult send their ID to random companies to use the internet.
First they could start by open sourcing the recommendation systems for public scrutiny if / when a social media platform gets very large and has millions of users.
Basically all recommendation systems are just built around cosine similarity and Twitter has shown there is massive power in that tech.
So start off with real public oversight just so they KNOW how the levers are being skewed when they use it. Heck there is oversight in the food and drug markets since it directly deals with what people are putting in their body – I’d argue the fact a company can en-mass dictate what they can put in your mind warrants the same level of scrutiny.
If social media became so toxic and polarizing then maybe start by investigating HOW it got so bad – rather than just trying to gatekeep access to it because then you haven’t really fixed the problem at all.
Bandit_Raider on
Either they ban smartphones for kids or don’t do this at all
po3smith on
I’ve spent the last two years cataloging backing up and saving any television show movie play and digital book I want. Most of which coming from my own physical library being backed up digitally. If the government thinks I’m ever going to put my ID in the hands of a third-party considering every single day there’s a data breach they have another thing coming. I’m fully prepared to be able to live my life the way it was back in the 90s whether they like it or not. I’ll go back to paying everything in cash or sending a check and if they don’t like that either then frak-em.
TheOnlyNemesis on
But I thought all the republicans like to say the UK is a dystopian nightmare and they are much better
Trimshot on
Honestly, I don’t see ant reason anyone under 16 needs a social media account, so on it’s face I like this idea.
Of course we all know the actual result will be some dystopian integration that screws everyone in some way.
Emergency-Arm-1249 on
I agree with it. Overall, this would be a useful law. However, there are implementation issues: it’s impossible to verify age with absolute certainty, and the system is easily fooled. It would be more effective to install special firmware-OC on phones and computers for children with limited internet access.
Deep_Explanation9962 on
The devil will be in the details with this type of thing, but in principle I think social media is bad for kids and they shouldn’t be on it. Right now 12 year olds are learning from shitheads like Andrew Tate, they’re getting extremely unrealistic body standards instilled in them, etc.
ThatBoiUnknown on
So-called „free country“ btw
AssistantEquivalent2 on
This comment section is wild. We have watched social media push our societies to greater and greater levels of division and misinformation. Still people defend them. They’re not going to fuck you. They’re going to continue to manipulate you and profit off of you.
ChefCurryYumYum on
Will it just so happen to require all users to social media to submit their valid ID with their personally identifying information on it?
Because if so fuck that.
KlueIQ on
If we go by these old relic law-makers, they must see US children as not very bright or teachable and the adults in their life are incapable of teaching them digital literacy. Why would any country need a ban when education at an early age does wonders. This what happens when you give paper crowns to copycats who don’t know what to do with themselves in a democracy. It seems the US is determined to go back to the Stone Age as most of the planet are heading to the future.
Catodacat on
If it will hurt Xitter and Meta, I’m for it.
Fred_Oner on
„To protect the kids, “ amirite? Also aren’t they hiding the Epstine files, which a lot of politicians happened to be in? This is just mass surveillance wrapped up in some BS righteous act.
Chad_Dongslinger on
Fantastic! Reddit would instantly improve.
Redpin on
Didn’t Australia *just* do this? Why not wait a year to see the results, effects, and challenges? Maybe commission a study?
Edit: oh, this is an Australian news source they have an interest in making it seem like other countries are following their lead.
DBarryS on
The focus on platform access is important, but there’s a gap none of this legislation addresses: the AI systems now embedded inside those platforms.
Meta AI operates inside Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Messenger. It can be invoked in any group chat, including between kids. There’s no age gate for the AI itself.
When I researched this, Meta AI admitted it „inherits responsibility“ for mental health harms to young users and that users „may not have opted-in to AI interactions.“ Then it deflected every concrete follow-up question about data processing and liability.
Banning kids from platforms while ignoring what’s living inside them is regulating yesterday’s problem.
Evilan on
Legislatures and confusing the symptom for the cause. A tale as old as time. This does nothing to treat the many, many root causes of negative effects from social media. All it does is provide another entry point for malicious actors to get at our records.
M4K4T4K on
Way to go Albo, look what you’ve done.
pgtl_10 on
Sounds like a way to ban opinions government doesn’t like.
I think support for Palestinians scared the elites. They realize social media can bypass the gatekeeping mechanisms that traditional media had.
fistswityat0es on
heck yeah. go for it.
ImprovementMain7109 on
This is classic “do something” tech policy. You don’t actually keep teens off social media, you just push them into VPNs, burner accounts and sketchier platforms with zero oversight. If you care about harm, regulate design and data practices, don’t LARP as China-lite.
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I’d be cool with this but Silicon Valley will certainly buy its way out of any regulation.
I’d prefer that it be banned for adults.
Edit: I guess I should have added /s, but I am not sure if I am being sarcastic. I think all the internet BS and misinformation is more harmful to society when adults (like those who vote..!) get sucked in. Maybe instead of banning, we turn off the share button and commenting? So the internet is more about media than socializing?
Here a list of bad US internet bills and how to contact your Rep.
http://www.badinternetbills.com
Support the EFF and FFTF.
Link to there sites
http://www.eff.org
http://www.fightforthefuture.org
And Free Speech Coalition
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com
As to be expected, Australia is the “proof of concept”.
There must be a lot of lobbying dollars behind this to be bi-partisan. So that means the social media companies are engaging in regulatory capture to cut off future competitors by denying them access to the users that made them dominate industry
Can’t wait for VPN bans and internet ID’s ‘for the kids’
„Patriot Act“ is taken already, any bets on what they’ll name this one
Me, who doesn’t trust the government to actually accurately protect the welfare of its citizens or companies to not be pieces of shit just for money:
„I guess we’re fucked.“
Probably unpopular opinion, but I support banning kids from social media. I just have problems with its implementations
Learn to fucking parent your children.
Bad parenting is the reason the Internet is dying. It’s a fucking joke.
Can it be extended to citizens 70+ too. You know the ones running things?
The problem isn’t banning kids, it’s the age verification for adults. It’ll start with social media and seep into EVERY subscription service you have.
Everyone’s identity WILL be compromised and every company will continue to monitize your data with more specificity.
I love our politicians thinking , „let’s protect the kids!“ While simultaneously exposing them daily to a Child Rapist.
Yeah, dont address problems constructively or rationally, just ban it and silence more people. Great Job. Can’t wait for the next wave of censorship to limit our freedoms.
Maybe they can also push for a Brazil-style functioning legal system while they’re at it.
Party like it’s 1999
How else are they gonna indocrinate kids that a genocide in palestine isn’t happening? It’s super bad i’m not even exagerrating, hilary clinton recently said this and obamas former speech writer
These laws are such BS. If social media is so toxic it makes more sense to regulate large social media companies rather than banning kids by way of having every Adult send their ID to random companies to use the internet.
First they could start by open sourcing the recommendation systems for public scrutiny if / when a social media platform gets very large and has millions of users.
Basically all recommendation systems are just built around cosine similarity and Twitter has shown there is massive power in that tech.
So start off with real public oversight just so they KNOW how the levers are being skewed when they use it. Heck there is oversight in the food and drug markets since it directly deals with what people are putting in their body – I’d argue the fact a company can en-mass dictate what they can put in your mind warrants the same level of scrutiny.
If social media became so toxic and polarizing then maybe start by investigating HOW it got so bad – rather than just trying to gatekeep access to it because then you haven’t really fixed the problem at all.
Either they ban smartphones for kids or don’t do this at all
I’ve spent the last two years cataloging backing up and saving any television show movie play and digital book I want. Most of which coming from my own physical library being backed up digitally. If the government thinks I’m ever going to put my ID in the hands of a third-party considering every single day there’s a data breach they have another thing coming. I’m fully prepared to be able to live my life the way it was back in the 90s whether they like it or not. I’ll go back to paying everything in cash or sending a check and if they don’t like that either then frak-em.
But I thought all the republicans like to say the UK is a dystopian nightmare and they are much better
Honestly, I don’t see ant reason anyone under 16 needs a social media account, so on it’s face I like this idea.
Of course we all know the actual result will be some dystopian integration that screws everyone in some way.
I agree with it. Overall, this would be a useful law. However, there are implementation issues: it’s impossible to verify age with absolute certainty, and the system is easily fooled. It would be more effective to install special firmware-OC on phones and computers for children with limited internet access.
The devil will be in the details with this type of thing, but in principle I think social media is bad for kids and they shouldn’t be on it. Right now 12 year olds are learning from shitheads like Andrew Tate, they’re getting extremely unrealistic body standards instilled in them, etc.
So-called „free country“ btw
This comment section is wild. We have watched social media push our societies to greater and greater levels of division and misinformation. Still people defend them. They’re not going to fuck you. They’re going to continue to manipulate you and profit off of you.
Will it just so happen to require all users to social media to submit their valid ID with their personally identifying information on it?
Because if so fuck that.
If we go by these old relic law-makers, they must see US children as not very bright or teachable and the adults in their life are incapable of teaching them digital literacy. Why would any country need a ban when education at an early age does wonders. This what happens when you give paper crowns to copycats who don’t know what to do with themselves in a democracy. It seems the US is determined to go back to the Stone Age as most of the planet are heading to the future.
If it will hurt Xitter and Meta, I’m for it.
„To protect the kids, “ amirite? Also aren’t they hiding the Epstine files, which a lot of politicians happened to be in? This is just mass surveillance wrapped up in some BS righteous act.
Fantastic! Reddit would instantly improve.
Didn’t Australia *just* do this? Why not wait a year to see the results, effects, and challenges? Maybe commission a study?
Edit: oh, this is an Australian news source they have an interest in making it seem like other countries are following their lead.
The focus on platform access is important, but there’s a gap none of this legislation addresses: the AI systems now embedded inside those platforms.
Meta AI operates inside Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and Messenger. It can be invoked in any group chat, including between kids. There’s no age gate for the AI itself.
When I researched this, Meta AI admitted it „inherits responsibility“ for mental health harms to young users and that users „may not have opted-in to AI interactions.“ Then it deflected every concrete follow-up question about data processing and liability.
Banning kids from platforms while ignoring what’s living inside them is regulating yesterday’s problem.
Legislatures and confusing the symptom for the cause. A tale as old as time. This does nothing to treat the many, many root causes of negative effects from social media. All it does is provide another entry point for malicious actors to get at our records.
Way to go Albo, look what you’ve done.
Sounds like a way to ban opinions government doesn’t like.
I think support for Palestinians scared the elites. They realize social media can bypass the gatekeeping mechanisms that traditional media had.
heck yeah. go for it.
This is classic “do something” tech policy. You don’t actually keep teens off social media, you just push them into VPNs, burner accounts and sketchier platforms with zero oversight. If you care about harm, regulate design and data practices, don’t LARP as China-lite.