Nach dem, was ich in den Nachrichten und in den sozialen Medien gesehen habe, hat Finnland große Schwierigkeiten, seiner jungen, gebildeten Bevölkerung Arbeit zu verschaffen, und hat mit über 10 % die höchste Arbeitslosigkeit in Europa.
Außerdem stagnierte die Wirtschaft in den letzten Jahren größtenteils, soweit ich es gesehen habe.
Sind Saunen und Sisu der Schlüssel zum Glück?
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Von Chasing_Colours
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I wouldn’t necessarily take those happiness rankings too seriously. Finns tend to gently laugh at them, which isn’t to say that we’d consider Finland a bad place to live.
One thing I’d consider, the happiness bit is something that describes the average citizen. Meanwhile, many metrics of socioeconomic troubles like suicide, substance abuse, or unemployment (especially the long-term component) describe a smaller group where a lot of problems tend to cluster.
If you listen to Finnish sociologists, there’s a broadscale pattern where the fortunes of Finns have diverged. The majority arguably do better than they’ve ever done — and this group would include your median happy person — while we also have an ever-increasing gap to the minority that’s sadly being left behind.
What do you think that „happiness“ statistic means?
Low standards for what a good life means. It’s not about how much money you make, but how low your expenses are, etc.
I’M NOT HAPPY STOP TELLING EVERYBODY I’M HAPPY STOP IT RIGHT NOW
Maybe to a Finn happiness equals not actively suffering
Because the entire study has not been about happiness, but rather it has been misnamed. It examines factors that improve the quality of life, such as whether the country is safe, stable and peaceful and how equal opportunities and freedoms individuals have.
It’s not really happiness as it’s understood in many parts of the world, it’s more like contentness, people are mostly content with their situation. And one other thing that I noticed a lot since moving to Finland is that Finns tend to be content even when things aren’t going well. Hardships that would make a southerner complain, for locals it’s a sort of challenge accepted. I’d say Finland doesn’t have much beside what other developed countries have but one thing it certainly has is this attitude of dealing with whatever comes in a calm way.
The absence of the kinds of suffering often seen in other countries (homelessness, starvation, etc.) gets confused with happiness, as Finns are culturally quite a modest people.
Also, Finland has been spanked throughout history, so when it’s finally over we’re happy about it. A lukewarm shower would make most people feel cold, while the one who’s just been naked out in the snow will find warmth therein.
Most people doesn’t read reddit doom&gloom.
There was a year when my my hometown was selected the happiest town in Finland. There was a poster on the bus station with a grumpy looking lady saying something akin to „Welcome to the happiest town in Finland. No one here was asked whether they’re happy, but maybe you can find out whether it’s true“.
I think the sentiment stands for all of Finland.
We’re not happy. The rate at which antidepressants are prescribed remains high. 400,000 adults are on them. The suicide rate is above EU mean. Unemployment is at an all time high. The happiness hype is due to metrics used in these happiness reports. They’re not really measuring happiness. They’re measuring what are thought to be proxies for happiness. Much is based on institutions like health care that are now crumbling. Just as the trust in these institutions.
it must be the sauna…that thing is magical
>Are saunas and sisu the hack for happiness?
Cringe.
We take the world as it is, not as we’d want it. Trees and quiet helps a lot.
Wanna know a secret?…We don’t.
The sad ones off themselves.
Poll is for the employed ones
Not happy, more like it is what it is type of situation
Kilju is still cheap.
Many Finns keep saying they’re not happy but don’t realize how good we have it in comparison to other countries in general. Yeah unemployment is high at the moment but generally there are lot more things that make life a lot more stress free here than other countries.
I personally think that – at least for developed economies with strong democracy – the World Happiness Report reflects cultural and societal attitudes rather than absolute quality of life.
The World Happiness Report is based exclusively on the following question, called the Cantril Ladder:
>*Please imagine a ladder with steps numbered from 0 at the bottom to 10 at the top. The top of the ladder represents the best possible life for you and the bottom of the ladder represents the worst possible life for you. On which step of the ladder would you say you personally feel you stand at this time?*
Note that this question doesn’t measure psychological happiness. It simply asks people to evaluate how good they feel their life is compared to the best and worst outcomes.
Finland’s strong performance does show that the country is doing many things right. However, results are also sensitive to cultural differences. In my experience, Finns tend to be modest and stoic, and complaining or being overly ambitious is often frowned upon. Finnish culture places high value on work-life balance and social relationships, which the system supports.
By contrast, Switzerland (rank 13 in 2024) scores lower despite having higher material wealth and median disposible income. Swiss people tend to be more career-driven and entrepreneurial. In the same life circumstances, a Swiss person might rate their life lower on the Cantril Ladder because of higher personal ambitions, not necessarily because their life is objectively worse.
In a nutshell: **The score on the Cantril Ladder depends a lot on what mental reference points people use for the 0 and the 10. This is largely tied to culture, rather than quality of life.**
Happy to sit on my ass all day and look for work
Because goverment takes care of unemployed. Even if you lost it all, you will not end up homeless.
However those happiness rankings are not directly about emotion happiness, but about size and state of wellfare.
It’s the overall functionality and social support systems that play a huge role in Finnish happiness. It’s the quality schools. It’s mandated work-life balance. It’s an honest and trustworthy population. It’s excellent urban development, free or subsidized preschool, quality building construction, fantastic libraries,excellent public transportation. It’s trust that things *work.*
Yes, the taxes are high, but we have a high quality society that functions and supports healthy living With equal opportunities for all. This constitutes the Finnish metric of happiness. Not stacks of money, fancy cars, stock market spikes, plastic surgery, or the other metrics that other western countries might measure happiness by.
World Happiness Report should be shoved into rectal cavities of the ones who came up with this idea.
Well 90% are employed + whatever percentage aren’t looking for a job.