Können wir endlich den Vorhang schließen? 600 Millionen Europäer. Doppelt so groß wie die USA! Führen Sie die europäischen Armeen zusammen und gründen Sie die Europäische Armee. Der Größte der Welt

I think Europe’s fatal mistake was to ever trust the US as an ally. A country that elects someone like Trump as president is a madhouse. No one should trust such country and you can’t be sure it won’t happen again.

If the EU smartly invests nearly €1T every year for 10 years we *may* achieve that, but the EU is too slow doing anything

Our biggest news website ran a poll yesterday in light of Musk’s tweet which revealed that over 50% of the respondents are in favor of dissolving the union. Obviously a single news site is not a good sample of the general population, but I have never seen such disdain for the EU even there before, and I entirely blame Chat Control as the major opinion tanking factor right now. The EU needs to get its shit together

Won’t happen without a unified foreign policy and the only way that happens is with federalization which will never ever happen

It would be nice but it’s likely just a dream. Too much money, too much corporate corruption, and not enough collaboration getting in the way of this happening. Besides, once Trump is gone the next US administration will be sucking up to Europe to beg for forgiveness.

I see a lot of bullshit going on in this sub lately, so let’s clear things up a bit.

1. The first country to benefit from a split between US and EU is Russia, never forget that.

2. Regardless of what US and Russia do, European Countries are and will always be divided, because of the millenias of history that each part of the continent has. Therefore expecting 600 million people to magically start working together is pure nonsense.

3. The all concept of European Countries coexisting in peace is something that was possible ONLY with the presence of the US on European soil after WW2. There wouldn’t be any EU without US.

4. It’s very important that European Countries start taking their defence and the Russian threat seriously, with all the necessary steps be taken. But this weird European chauvinism is not the way, simply because European Countries are internally divided on many issues, so trying to turbo charge an integration that was badly planned from the beginning is not going to improve the situation.

5. I know that hating on US is the European national sport, and the current administration isn’t helping. But we are not even close from being able to renounce to the Atlantic relationship. Even if you despise Americans, we simply can’t. If we do that we are simply running into Russian arms. Literally.

Ew

Have you heard about the military exercises in Romania? France wanted to deploy a 1,000-man brigade and equipment. As a result, it turned into a bureaucratic disaster. I also saw photos from recent military exercises and they showed that you are not ready. You are not ready either morally, economically, or technically. You can increase the budget of defense enterprises, but guess where they will get the resources to produce weapons. They will purchase some of the resources from Russia.

Let’s do it!

Sorry, but I do not want to share our army with the rest of Europe. Scandinavia maybe. There is too much political interference across the continent for everyone to have a shared army.

There are already states today that counteract nearly every attempt at cooperation across the EU, militarily, economically, and socially.

I understand why 20+ different armies are not as strong as one combined force. But when the political mandate behind such a force is compromised by states that are more focused on debating plastic straws versus paper and similar issues, I truly believe that the political decision on how to deploy an army should remain with the individual member states.

The problem you’ve got there, young people that would reluctantly grab a weapon to protect their homeland, 100% wouldn’t do it to protect Brussels.

What Europe needs is to resurrect the 1952 Defence Union 🇪🇺. Those plans were very advanced and include a European Army. Nato would effectively become a two-pillar organization; both pillars able to act together but also independently. This must also be democratically embedded within the EU. European Parliament made the first step last month with passing the resolution for a European Command and Control structure.

There’s broad support across the political spectrum for a geopolitical Europe. From north to south and from left to right;

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1o2xein/european_parliament_agreed_on_a_resolution_for/

You didn’t even check the population of the EU