We were never united. Every country has their own interests.
Crowmakeswing on
Europe will never be as alone as America.
ExpertPath on
Maybe Europe will finally wake up and defend its own interests
Dyn-O-mite_Rocketeer on
Nope. We also don’t realise that Europe itself is drifting apart. I’m very pro-Europe and I want further integration between our economies, things like common debt, capital markets, a real single market and more.
But the EU has proven it can’t work any longer. Once the war in Ukraine is somehow resolved things will begin to deteriorate quickly. Hopefully, the countries that want a European project can come together in a post-EU world.
skymaddie777 on
What is this?
No-Theory6270 on
Everyone is alone. Is Russia alone? Is Pakistan alone? They’re all alone. The difference is how many countries can you have good relationships with and agree on something. The apparent good vibes between BRICS members would disappear the same day that Europe disappeared. All they have in common is a distaste for Europe (and the US). The only way to unite countries into something more meaningful than opposing a big country or worldview is to unite them in a abstract set of principles, rules and values that the Europe/ the EU has so far not succeeded in presenting as universal. To the contrary, Europe has been perceived as falsely adhering to said principles and lecturing everyone else about them. But even with all these difficulties, the list of countries that want to join has increased over the years. Nobody would have thought 20 years ago that Ukraine would be so pro-European. So in essence, there is progress but the speed is very slow. Just ask people from any other country where they would like to live, observe migration applications and flows of regular and irregular migration and you’ll see what people in the world truly want. They want to go to the US / EU / UK etc. Not so many dream to live in Russia. In the end, that’s what matters, not so much what countries want but what individuals want.
kubtan-hhh on
I am honestly perplexed.
What did the Europeans exactly expect from everyone else?
You can’t turn a eye to the subjugation and the murder of others (sometimes they helped it), then complain about others not coming to save you.
The hegemony of the USA was one of the most bloodthirsty empires on the world.
Latin America was having coups by American-funded armies that ruled with terror.
The MENA (the Middle East and North Africa) was suffering from American-backed puppet rulers and constant bombing in addition to a complete dehumanisation by the ‚free world‘ and the ‚defenders of human rights‘ nations in addition to having ethnic cleansing and ethnic extermination.
Why did you ever believe that they will come to your aid, when you need them? It’s honestly delusional and out of touch with reality.
Your only ally was the USA and other Western countries. Now, the USA is out. No one else wants to help you.
Morality is for all intents and purposes just a transactional matter. If you care not about the rights of others, then they won’t care about yours. Why would anyone come to the aid of those who didn’t come to theirs? Transactionalism is as old as the human race itself.
lyzoloficial on
I hope Europe ever stops mortgaging its interests in favor of countries on the other side of the pond.
Your strategy is suicidal
Acceptable-Fact3716 on
At this point this is a weekly occurance, sadly i doubt the Eu will ever stand up for itself and try to be independent instead of just dealing with eating shit
Sniffer93 on
Europe is finally FAFO. For many years europeans trashed talk about everything America including infrastructure, cars, healthcare not realizing Americans subsidised European security so those European could have better universal healthcare.
This is the true definition of being ungrateful and finding out. Btw I hate Trump for destroying America.
gruziigais on
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Distinct_Cup_1598 on
No it doesn’t. Or at least if it does, it doesn’t make the right conclusions.
Each time an EU or european NATO representative keeps saying „the US is our most important and still reliable ally“, you know they still don’t get it…
cimmic on
I mean, the European countries are generally much closer to there neighbours than USA is to Canada, Mexico and Cuba. Even Russia has better bonds with her allies than Trump’s USA.
that_tealoving_nerd on
Europe isn’t? Canada, Australia, South Korea, Japan, we still belive in the rules-based order?
faresar0x on
They will have to discuss with 27 countries if they reached this realization.
Nagash24 on
I have the impression that our EU leaders do realise that we’re alone, but also, we’re still too dependent on other countries for too many things (energy, industrial goods…) to do much about it *yet*. We have to bend over to Trump and China *for now* and it’s hard to tell when that will be able to change.
IllSurprise3049 on
Idk why people treat Europe as if it’s a singular country. It’s just like how people treat Africa as a country. Everyone is truly alone in this world.
ProtonPi314 on
Hey you are not alone!!
You have Canada!!
Six_Midnight on
No, not even sort of.
How many people here were not evne a few days ago insisting ion it’s acutally their leaders delivering naunce something lost on the world and lost on Trump himself as if this was an incredible own. When I pointed out that it’s exactly because he doesn’t understand naunce that it’s pointless, they kept insisting this was proof that „you just don’t understand“ and they’re „making a deal.“ You’re not. At all.
Reality is, Europe *doesn’t want* to get it. They *don’t want* to admit how bad the situation is and want to convince themselves there’s some sort of 5d chess game and deal going on that is done so masterfully that the other side doesn’t even know it exists. It’s exactly *because* the US is ran by morons and thugs that you should believe them when they tell you every day to their face they have no inention of helping and were *never* going to.
Pilek01 on
A bit offtopic but time to stop the green crazyness and start a new age of industrialization for Europe. We are 6% of the world’s emissions so even if we reduce emissions by 50% that will be a drop in the ocean, we hurt our economy meanwhile the rest of the world is making fun of us. Look at China building all the new power plants and their economy growing so much over the last decade, meanwhile europes economy is stagnant and the green deal is destroying us.
Prize-Grapefruiter on
the current administration seems too passive and will not stand up for itself. for example, their recent visit to the USA showed how passive they are and going along agreeing to funnel far more funds to the USA than they needed to.
manamara1 on
There are still lots of think tanks in Europe funded by USA. If these loose funding, the binding may unbind.
PuzKarapuz on
usa said this many years. and now not only alone, but also in dangerous from China proxy russia and they supporter USA.
lehs on
Some, guess who, made Europe challenge Russia on its own.
LucyTheBrazen on
Unfortunately Europe will stay the lapdog of the crumbling US empire and go down with the ship
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We were never united. Every country has their own interests.
Europe will never be as alone as America.
Maybe Europe will finally wake up and defend its own interests
Nope. We also don’t realise that Europe itself is drifting apart. I’m very pro-Europe and I want further integration between our economies, things like common debt, capital markets, a real single market and more.
But the EU has proven it can’t work any longer. Once the war in Ukraine is somehow resolved things will begin to deteriorate quickly. Hopefully, the countries that want a European project can come together in a post-EU world.
What is this?
Everyone is alone. Is Russia alone? Is Pakistan alone? They’re all alone. The difference is how many countries can you have good relationships with and agree on something. The apparent good vibes between BRICS members would disappear the same day that Europe disappeared. All they have in common is a distaste for Europe (and the US). The only way to unite countries into something more meaningful than opposing a big country or worldview is to unite them in a abstract set of principles, rules and values that the Europe/ the EU has so far not succeeded in presenting as universal. To the contrary, Europe has been perceived as falsely adhering to said principles and lecturing everyone else about them. But even with all these difficulties, the list of countries that want to join has increased over the years. Nobody would have thought 20 years ago that Ukraine would be so pro-European. So in essence, there is progress but the speed is very slow. Just ask people from any other country where they would like to live, observe migration applications and flows of regular and irregular migration and you’ll see what people in the world truly want. They want to go to the US / EU / UK etc. Not so many dream to live in Russia. In the end, that’s what matters, not so much what countries want but what individuals want.
I am honestly perplexed.
What did the Europeans exactly expect from everyone else?
You can’t turn a eye to the subjugation and the murder of others (sometimes they helped it), then complain about others not coming to save you.
The hegemony of the USA was one of the most bloodthirsty empires on the world.
Latin America was having coups by American-funded armies that ruled with terror.
The MENA (the Middle East and North Africa) was suffering from American-backed puppet rulers and constant bombing in addition to a complete dehumanisation by the ‚free world‘ and the ‚defenders of human rights‘ nations in addition to having ethnic cleansing and ethnic extermination.
Why did you ever believe that they will come to your aid, when you need them? It’s honestly delusional and out of touch with reality.
Your only ally was the USA and other Western countries. Now, the USA is out. No one else wants to help you.
Morality is for all intents and purposes just a transactional matter. If you care not about the rights of others, then they won’t care about yours. Why would anyone come to the aid of those who didn’t come to theirs? Transactionalism is as old as the human race itself.
I hope Europe ever stops mortgaging its interests in favor of countries on the other side of the pond.
Your strategy is suicidal
At this point this is a weekly occurance, sadly i doubt the Eu will ever stand up for itself and try to be independent instead of just dealing with eating shit
Europe is finally FAFO. For many years europeans trashed talk about everything America including infrastructure, cars, healthcare not realizing Americans subsidised European security so those European could have better universal healthcare.
This is the true definition of being ungrateful and finding out. Btw I hate Trump for destroying America.
Be careful, massive bot activity in comments.
No it doesn’t. Or at least if it does, it doesn’t make the right conclusions.
Each time an EU or european NATO representative keeps saying „the US is our most important and still reliable ally“, you know they still don’t get it…
I mean, the European countries are generally much closer to there neighbours than USA is to Canada, Mexico and Cuba. Even Russia has better bonds with her allies than Trump’s USA.
Europe isn’t? Canada, Australia, South Korea, Japan, we still belive in the rules-based order?
They will have to discuss with 27 countries if they reached this realization.
I have the impression that our EU leaders do realise that we’re alone, but also, we’re still too dependent on other countries for too many things (energy, industrial goods…) to do much about it *yet*. We have to bend over to Trump and China *for now* and it’s hard to tell when that will be able to change.
Idk why people treat Europe as if it’s a singular country. It’s just like how people treat Africa as a country. Everyone is truly alone in this world.
Hey you are not alone!!
You have Canada!!
No, not even sort of.
How many people here were not evne a few days ago insisting ion it’s acutally their leaders delivering naunce something lost on the world and lost on Trump himself as if this was an incredible own. When I pointed out that it’s exactly because he doesn’t understand naunce that it’s pointless, they kept insisting this was proof that „you just don’t understand“ and they’re „making a deal.“ You’re not. At all.
Reality is, Europe *doesn’t want* to get it. They *don’t want* to admit how bad the situation is and want to convince themselves there’s some sort of 5d chess game and deal going on that is done so masterfully that the other side doesn’t even know it exists. It’s exactly *because* the US is ran by morons and thugs that you should believe them when they tell you every day to their face they have no inention of helping and were *never* going to.
A bit offtopic but time to stop the green crazyness and start a new age of industrialization for Europe. We are 6% of the world’s emissions so even if we reduce emissions by 50% that will be a drop in the ocean, we hurt our economy meanwhile the rest of the world is making fun of us. Look at China building all the new power plants and their economy growing so much over the last decade, meanwhile europes economy is stagnant and the green deal is destroying us.
the current administration seems too passive and will not stand up for itself. for example, their recent visit to the USA showed how passive they are and going along agreeing to funnel far more funds to the USA than they needed to.
There are still lots of think tanks in Europe funded by USA. If these loose funding, the binding may unbind.
usa said this many years. and now not only alone, but also in dangerous from China proxy russia and they supporter USA.
Some, guess who, made Europe challenge Russia on its own.
Unfortunately Europe will stay the lapdog of the crumbling US empire and go down with the ship