to appreciate freedom and democracy, you should learn to understand what i means to wield a weapon and to be ready to defend those values, even with your life if need be.
ukrainians are dying in the trenches and cities, after their protests wrestled control of the nation being in servitude to pro-russian oligarchs. it’s a war none of them wanted.
people need to stop dreaming and wake up to the fact, that humans will always exploit humans and take what they want if no one stops them. russians that didn’t want to fight, are sent to the trenches regardless.
ResponsibleStress933 on
Push you gov for Ukraine aid and no one will go to war. If Russian assets are given to Ukraine then Russia won’t have much chance.
Gaumir on
Something tells me those protesters are the same people who oppose aiding Ukraine and want to be friends with putin.
fritz_futtermann on
so the German people want to continue paying Ukrainians to die, right?
OriginalLittle2624 on
For years German politicians claimed that video games – especially shooters – would ‘damage’ young people and make them unfit for real life.
Now the same political class suddenly wants this very generation to pick up real guns.
As Martin Sonneborn put it: they were terrified of teenagers ‘shooting’ on a screen, but now they have no problem sending them into an actual war.
That hypocrisy says everything about how little the youth ever mattered to these people.
Ok-Box1940 on
This is not a conscription it is a volontariat service similarité to what France is doing.
Puzzleheaded-Lab-635 on
There’s a machine moving westward as we speak, swallowing Ukrainian towns. Its mouthpieces say it won’t stop until its flag reaches Lisbon. It’s like what Trotsky apocryphally said, „You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.“
If we Europeans are not willing to fight for our way of life, institutions, rights, etc, then someone else will fight to subjugate us.
It’s not complicated.
Mobile_Main_5693 on
And what don’t they like? Don’t they have anything to protect?
Royal-Hunter3892 on
Europe has become too accustomed to safety and security and stability and prosperity which came at the cost of Instability in other regions and security cover provided by US
And now that US is ignoring Europe and wants to focus their resources on Asia Indo Pacific, Europe just couldn’t accept the reality that it’s been ignored
They want to drag US and keep it invested in European security and affairs .
Europe has to fight its own wars and exercise its own diplomacy. If it fails to act and engage the prosperity achieved after WW2 will all go in vain .
Wake up to reality. New geopolitical allignments are taking shape .
Jhawk163 on
I don’t like conscription, and if my country had mandatory military service I’d be pretty upset too. Unfortunately this is not a choice, at some point you are going to have to fight for freedom, and it’s ok to still be upset at that, but be upset at the *right* people. Don’t be upset at the people giving you a gun, body armor and training, be upset at the ones who are coming to invade and to take those liberties in the first place.
wranklos on
Conscription is simply incompatible with modern society, even in Ukraine that’s a pretty conservative and traditional country it’s been a shit show with people being dragged off the streets or fleeing across the border. Now imagine in Germany where for 80 years they’ve been told to not be patriotic.
FullChartreue on
Traitors.
Stereo_Jungle_Child on
From a historical perspective: The fewer Germans who are in the military, the better off we ALL are.
Just sayin’…
🙂
xfreee on
Currently, only German citizens can serve in the German military (Bundeswehr).
LV426acheron on
They should be protesting against Putin and the Russians.
That’s why they had to pass this bill.
Tinadazed on
Asking 18 year olds to put their cell phones down for 18 months… God forbid!
kachol on
this whole thing is a fucking russian funded psyop. you may not like war but it likes you and if everyone just decides that they are pacifist, then we better start learning fucking russian. good thing we still have countries like Poland and the Baltics between us (Germany) and Russia.
Merrywinds on
Looking at this from Finland, the German youth seems soft and weak. Mentally flaccid. I had hoped for better.
Hopefully there are enough people in power with a realistic view of the world who move towards conscription in general in Germany.
DonkeysCongress on
EVERYBODY complaining about OTHERS not wanting to fight and become cannon fodder should be automatically sent to the war NOW
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YozaSkywalker on
And here’s why Russia will win. The unwillingness to stand up and fight against evil. Ukraine has been fighting Russia by itself with one hand tied behind their back.
TripleVoid on
Should Germany be attacked, who would defend them? It’s insane that people protest against voluntary option.
AmericanCaesar94 on
Shows the EU is all bark on Russia- they want the US to defend them, hence why trump can bully them. They aren’t serious countries
MKW69 on
Hippies, Tankies! As a I Pole found them disgusting! Ukranians have been fighting for 4 years almost, and these ignorants come out?! And who supports them? Again Commies, BSW! Just like before In WW2, commies will always Side with fascist to own the libs!
ux3l on
I kinda can understand both sides. Our military needs to get more powerful. On the other hand, I also would have been hesitant towards compulsory military service, and this decision was made without involving the people it will affect. They weren’t even allowed to vote in federal elections yet.
But at the end, nobody is forced to do military service. So far only the medical examination is compulsory. And even if the aimed quote isn’t met and some people get drafted, they can say No and do substitute service.
disorderly on
The way native Germans have been treated by the state, good luck!
Vhu on
> The government says military service will be voluntary for as long as possible, but from July 2027, all 18-year-old men will have to take a medical exam to assess their fitness for possible military service.
Universal medical examinations were necessary, Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said, so that in the event of an attack, Germany would not waste time determining „who is operationally capable as a homeland protector and who is not“.
So the program is voluntary, and the explanation is entirely reasonable in my opinion. You can’t have a free nation if you can’t defend it. Somebody’s gotta do that.
NerdMachine on
>All men born after January 1, 2008, will undergo medical evaluation, in a move not seen since Germany suspended conscription in 2011. Both 18-year-old men and women will be asked to declare their willingness to serve, though only men must respond.
Straight up sexism.
traveller-1-1 on
If anyone wants to stop Russian expansion then seize all Russian money. I mean that of oligarchs. Arrest oligarchs. Ban Russian tourists. Actually, really blockade Russia. So, I mean cripple Russia. Also, investigate imprison politicians who have taken Russian money.
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to appreciate freedom and democracy, you should learn to understand what i means to wield a weapon and to be ready to defend those values, even with your life if need be.
ukrainians are dying in the trenches and cities, after their protests wrestled control of the nation being in servitude to pro-russian oligarchs. it’s a war none of them wanted.
people need to stop dreaming and wake up to the fact, that humans will always exploit humans and take what they want if no one stops them. russians that didn’t want to fight, are sent to the trenches regardless.
Push you gov for Ukraine aid and no one will go to war. If Russian assets are given to Ukraine then Russia won’t have much chance.
Something tells me those protesters are the same people who oppose aiding Ukraine and want to be friends with putin.
so the German people want to continue paying Ukrainians to die, right?
For years German politicians claimed that video games – especially shooters – would ‘damage’ young people and make them unfit for real life.
Now the same political class suddenly wants this very generation to pick up real guns.
As Martin Sonneborn put it: they were terrified of teenagers ‘shooting’ on a screen, but now they have no problem sending them into an actual war.
That hypocrisy says everything about how little the youth ever mattered to these people.
This is not a conscription it is a volontariat service similarité to what France is doing.
There’s a machine moving westward as we speak, swallowing Ukrainian towns. Its mouthpieces say it won’t stop until its flag reaches Lisbon. It’s like what Trotsky apocryphally said, „You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.“
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRfzZ7kpIBo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRfzZ7kpIBo) <- source. 3 years ago.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1xDaFsNjGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1xDaFsNjGY) <- source. 2 years ago.
If we Europeans are not willing to fight for our way of life, institutions, rights, etc, then someone else will fight to subjugate us.
It’s not complicated.
And what don’t they like? Don’t they have anything to protect?
Europe has become too accustomed to safety and security and stability and prosperity which came at the cost of Instability in other regions and security cover provided by US
And now that US is ignoring Europe and wants to focus their resources on Asia Indo Pacific, Europe just couldn’t accept the reality that it’s been ignored
They want to drag US and keep it invested in European security and affairs .
Europe has to fight its own wars and exercise its own diplomacy. If it fails to act and engage the prosperity achieved after WW2 will all go in vain .
Wake up to reality. New geopolitical allignments are taking shape .
I don’t like conscription, and if my country had mandatory military service I’d be pretty upset too. Unfortunately this is not a choice, at some point you are going to have to fight for freedom, and it’s ok to still be upset at that, but be upset at the *right* people. Don’t be upset at the people giving you a gun, body armor and training, be upset at the ones who are coming to invade and to take those liberties in the first place.
Conscription is simply incompatible with modern society, even in Ukraine that’s a pretty conservative and traditional country it’s been a shit show with people being dragged off the streets or fleeing across the border. Now imagine in Germany where for 80 years they’ve been told to not be patriotic.
Traitors.
From a historical perspective: The fewer Germans who are in the military, the better off we ALL are.
Just sayin’…
🙂
Currently, only German citizens can serve in the German military (Bundeswehr).
They should be protesting against Putin and the Russians.
That’s why they had to pass this bill.
Asking 18 year olds to put their cell phones down for 18 months… God forbid!
this whole thing is a fucking russian funded psyop. you may not like war but it likes you and if everyone just decides that they are pacifist, then we better start learning fucking russian. good thing we still have countries like Poland and the Baltics between us (Germany) and Russia.
Looking at this from Finland, the German youth seems soft and weak. Mentally flaccid. I had hoped for better.
Hopefully there are enough people in power with a realistic view of the world who move towards conscription in general in Germany.
EVERYBODY complaining about OTHERS not wanting to fight and become cannon fodder should be automatically sent to the war NOW
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And here’s why Russia will win. The unwillingness to stand up and fight against evil. Ukraine has been fighting Russia by itself with one hand tied behind their back.
Should Germany be attacked, who would defend them? It’s insane that people protest against voluntary option.
Shows the EU is all bark on Russia- they want the US to defend them, hence why trump can bully them. They aren’t serious countries
Hippies, Tankies! As a I Pole found them disgusting! Ukranians have been fighting for 4 years almost, and these ignorants come out?! And who supports them? Again Commies, BSW! Just like before In WW2, commies will always Side with fascist to own the libs!
I kinda can understand both sides. Our military needs to get more powerful. On the other hand, I also would have been hesitant towards compulsory military service, and this decision was made without involving the people it will affect. They weren’t even allowed to vote in federal elections yet.
But at the end, nobody is forced to do military service. So far only the medical examination is compulsory. And even if the aimed quote isn’t met and some people get drafted, they can say No and do substitute service.
The way native Germans have been treated by the state, good luck!
> The government says military service will be voluntary for as long as possible, but from July 2027, all 18-year-old men will have to take a medical exam to assess their fitness for possible military service.
Universal medical examinations were necessary, Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said, so that in the event of an attack, Germany would not waste time determining „who is operationally capable as a homeland protector and who is not“.
So the program is voluntary, and the explanation is entirely reasonable in my opinion. You can’t have a free nation if you can’t defend it. Somebody’s gotta do that.
>All men born after January 1, 2008, will undergo medical evaluation, in a move not seen since Germany suspended conscription in 2011. Both 18-year-old men and women will be asked to declare their willingness to serve, though only men must respond.
Straight up sexism.
If anyone wants to stop Russian expansion then seize all Russian money. I mean that of oligarchs. Arrest oligarchs. Ban Russian tourists. Actually, really blockade Russia. So, I mean cripple Russia. Also, investigate imprison politicians who have taken Russian money.