Britische IVF-Paare nutzen eine Gesetzeslücke, um Embryonen nach potenziellem IQ, Größe und Gesundheitszustand einzustufen
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/06/uk-ivf-couples-use-legal-loophole-rank-embryos-iq-height-health?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Von topotaul
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I wonder how long it’ll be until those parents try to sue if the ‚profile‘ doesn’t match reality
I am jack’s complete lack of suprise that it’s a US company aiding people to do eugenics.
get what you’re given, shit situation but you’re in no position to be picky above everyone else
It’s the eventual way things will go
We already let people terminate based on the health of the baby.
Why wouldn’t you want to ensure positive traits that will improve your child’s life?
Ultimately people are only uncomfortable about it because they didn’t get it. People of the past got whatever good gave them. Babies of the future might get more and that’s upsetting to some
I have never heard any argument against pre-birth eugenics that is rational and not emotional.
Is it a bad thing? We’ve got enough idiots roaming the streets, this might balance it out a bit.
I’m just glad its an American company, so the results will probably be wrong 75% of the time.
Honestly this sounds like a good thing. Do people not want a society with more healthy intelligent citizens?
I have a really hard time believing that selecting between embryos coming from the same two genetic sources would have anything more than like a 1% impact on future intelligence.
6 IQ points for £37k is a bit fucking desperate. who gives a shit if your kid gets an A instead of an A*, if you can afford that you’re likely already paying for the best education money can buy anyway, and you’re likely well connected enough that you’ll be able to get your kid a job even if they’re thick as mince
Most evidence these days shows IQ isn’t entirely genetic too, so an increase that small could entirely be down to parents being able to afford private tutors and schools
I would encourage anyone in this thread wondering what the potential issue with a practice like this is to watch the 1997 film GATTACA. It’s pretty middling overall, but it envisions a world where this is common practice and has some really thought-provoking ideas. It’s often cited as a film which crystallised people’s viewpoint on the matter and is pretty much required viewing among geneticists if for no other reason than to understand why so many people are uneasy about it.
Since the dawn of time mankind has yearned to make Gattaca a reality
I imagine the paperwork they have to sign has about 20 thousand words of disclaimers and agreements not to sue them.
Yes your honor, I’m in court today because my son George Issac Mark Albert Michael Ernest Jones is well shit…“
We’re already balls deep into fucking up the natural order of Earth, causing a mass extinction. I don’t really see how this could make anything any worse.
When you pay for plastic surgery so your kids get a leg up to the A list (Kate Middleton, Bella Hadid, Kardashians, Blake Lively etc…)
I suppose this is just the next step in the wealthy making sure their kids have every advantage.
The IQ bit doesn’t seem to be working, I think there having people on.
This seems completely reasonable.
We should want healthier children.
Now of course there are some potential downsides, where you could accidentally introduce negative traits.
Or its gate kept by the extremely wealthy, but the counter to that is having the NHS do.it.
Isn’t IVF already eugenics? It specifically takes people who aren’t naturally capable of producing offspring, and selectively breeds from them using artificial methods.
To be clear, I am not arguing against IVF, but if we are doing IVF it seems a bit inconsistent to start taking an absolute hard line against anything that might possibly be classed as eugenics. IVF itself already throws natural selection out of the window.
I find this fascinating as currently going through IVF at the moment with the wife.
We got put with them after finding out she had breast cancer and the brca gene. Now we have had to choose whether or not we test the embryos to see if they carry the gene or not.
The gene basically gives you a 45-85% chance of developing breast cancer in a life time and a higher chance of ovarian cancer.
I couldn’t in good conscience put my hypothetical child through what me and my wife went through.
She’s had a double mastectomy, lives in constant pain, and radiotherapy caused one of the implants to harden, so clothes don’t fit properly, and she struggles to hide the unevenness.
She’s had a myriad of other diagnoses from the side effects of immunotherapy, but at the end of the day, we’re just grateful she’s still here.
It’s a mental struggle for her day in day out.
The waiting times are absolutely nuts. We were supposed to begin April of this year. It’s now December. We’ve been pushed back again because they accidentally skipped some steps and apparently now we need to go and have therapy and bloods redone on site for HIV. We went for those 3 months ago and have been told even though they’re supposed to last for 2 years we’ve got to go again because the step they have put us back to requires another blood test. Therapy… more paperwork…
It’s exhausting. We’re fed up.
All we want is a healthy baby with the best possible chance at life.
After this is done, she’s got to have a hysterectomy.
People going even further with it baffle me. Who gives a shit how tall your kid is.
For some like us, even having children will be a mix of luck and a blessing.
As someone with shit health aside from how the world is completely fucked one of the reasons I don’t want kids is because joint pain and depression run in the family. Why bring a child into the world to suffer bad health and depression. If people want to select decent genes to mate with like most people do then that is the same as picking embryos in similar fashion.
If you have health problems that would likely be passed on to your kids why breed and put someone else through a lifetime of your suffering? Eugenics can be compassionate to a degree depending on how it is done. Or are we worried about those poor embryos that are unwanted because they will have problems in the future?
Of course this rotten sub is full of people defending eugenics