„Auslöschung der Zivilisation“: US-Strategiedokument scheint rechtsextreme Verschwörungstheorien über Europa widerzuspiegeln
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/05/civilisational-erasure-us-strategy-document-appears-to-echo-far-right-conspiracy-theories-about-europe
Von lughnasadh
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European cultures has been been around for millennia and aren’t going anywhere. The far-right dimwits currently running America will collapse under their own incompetence, corruption and low IQs, much, much sooner.
It’s a copy of what Russia has been saying and they’re both saying it because they don’t want a strong and united Europe. They want Europe to be weak and divided, because then they can dominate Europe. They both don’t care about Europe and Europeans, they want to dominate us.
The weak should fear the strong.
The US is now one big and almost the stupidest country in the world.
In fact, they’ve already officially declared Europe their enemy and Russia their friend.
And for Europe to become a friend of the US, Europe must become a dumping ground like Russia, Hungary, and others
They probably think like half of us are fundamentalist christians
Those vermin in the White House can’t fall quickly enough. We’re the shining city of the hill, they’re filth that deliberately regresses their country towards Russian barbarism.
That they claim we’re the dangers to democracy and that we’re at risk of civilisation collapse is disgusting since they’re the vermin who did a coup and embraced Russia.
Dismissing anything as conspiratorial means leaving it to fester. Better to pull it out into the light and dismantle it.
They do not care about european culture being preserved they want to install useful obediant right-wing idiots in european governments that will break up EU and allow them easy control.
What they are using though is not right-wing consipracy theories but wide spread feelings europeans themselves already have. There is problems that imigration has caused within EU which also have been amplified by completely out of control social media. These sentiments are carefully purposefully cultivated through many times even reposting old controveries of imigration mixed in with new. Constant repeat of same propaganda amplifies the way people feel about the issues but that doesnt mean the issue is made up. If the propaganda started amplyifing people dying in road accidents people would feel like EU is a hellhole for driving cars.
The fact is they are going to use issues that were created by immigration and current economic decline against us. The only way to prevent this from hapenning is fixing these issues and heavily regulating foreign influence in EU. Punishing foreign inteference and heavily regulating or banning their information channels in EU. But the underlying issues that are being amplified need to be resolved as well.
You see more and more „travel“ youtubers going to EU cities seeking problems with immigrants and always finding content they want. The fact we made it so easy to amplify is a problem itself. Lately because of christmas more and more information is being spread about how christmas markets and concerts in EU are being cancelled because of security threats or how muslim imigrants are disrupting christmas markets and celebrations. If we want to stop this from hapening its not enough to just stop foreign propaganda its also necessary to deal with these issues in the first place.
This is a defence and you cant win if you only ever defend yourself. We should also be proactive by pushing and amplifing issues of our adversaries in their own information spaces.
America is an enemy
Another clear reminder that we cannot trust the US at all under current circumstances. We’d be better off ignoring them until at the earliest the mid terms and realistically until trump is completely gone
Edit: downvotes think we should trust this US admin???
This is a profoundly political document, for what it says and doesn’t says.
This document about national security has only lessons and power plows to adress Latin America and Europe. It remains more or less silent about the rest of the world. This is a work of the isolationist MAGA right, with a nod for european matters due to „civilizational proximity“.
As for Latin America, it perpetuates the centennial swing between „good neighbouring“ and outright hostility and neocolonialism. The objective is clear in this „supremacy“: it means suppression of dissent. What is dissent? Anything that is not far right, conspiracist, post-christian fundamentalist, ultra capitalist and extractivist.
What’s new is that Europe in this worldview is not anymore viewed as a strategic „partner“ and vital counterpart to help project american leadership. It is no more than an outpost of american domination, a vassal territory. So Europe’s destiny, in this document, is to be subjected to the same predatory policies than Latin American has been dealt ever since Theodore Roosevelt.
In this triangle of dread, it means that Europe and Latin America MUST find ways to work together and repel this takeover attempt. Because this is a ploy for an imperialist split of the world, which would eviscerate two of the regions where the rule of law, democracy, and the thirst for freedom, despite so many setbacks, have been the most durable and genuine for the past 200 years.
If you read the document, you will see a bit entitled „President Trump’s Necessary, Welcome Correction“, which, I admit, made me laugh.
„President Trump’s first administration proved that with the right leadership making the right choices, all of the above could—and should—have been avoided, and much else achieved. He and his team successfully marshaled America’s great strengths to correct course and begin ushering in a new golden age for our country.“
There is more flattery scattered through the document, and it’s in the same vein. Strong „dear leader“ energy.
This part, however, is a bit more worrying:
„Our broad policy for Europe should prioritize:
•Reestablishing conditions of stability within Europe and strategic stability with Russia
[…]
Ending the perception, and preventing the reality, of NATO as a perpetually expanding alliance “
Ok, then.
Imagine how we feel in the United States! We get Nazi Germany actions and Russian talking points multiple times a day. We’re being destroyed by billionaires and the barrel of monkeys administration daily. We feel your pain.
>“Europe must remain European“
Pray tell us what that means in your book, Joe
„appears to“
Dude, they are Nazis saying and doing Nazi things, writing Nazi documents that contain Nazi conspiracy theories.
They are fucking Nazis, why is everyone constantly surprised about this?
Funny coming from a country that first of all has never had a civilization and had to steal Roman symbols, where 40% of people are obese, tens of thousands die of fentanyl or other shit every year, where life expectancy dropped from 79.7 years in 2017 to 76.1 four years after (almost 10 less than top European countries), where they have a federal debt of $35.5 trillion, where an estimated 52 million Americans struggle with loneliness and suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people. A country whose president is the joke of the world.. and I could go on and on..
Its not really far right conspiracy but what is happening the white population is shrinking.
American here, and I can tell you firsthand these white supremacist and isolation policies are making the economy significantly worse. People can’t afford groceries, let alone anything outside of basic needs because of this trade war and deportation of many farm, construction, and childcare workers. I’ve never seen so many people say they’ll be lucky if they can even afford one Christmas gift this year.
I say this as a dire warning to Europeans, don’t fall into the trap of thinking immigrants are the problem or you’re headed towards an even worse situation like we are currently in.
*Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.*
All you need to know from this document: „a roadmap to ensure America remains the greatest“.
US and Europe should be natural allies.
But a zionist owned USA wont have too much love for Europe. When will Europe have enough backbone to call that out?
Either Europe remains a bitch and continues being humiliated like this or Europe calls spade a spade.
Seriously in what world is US joined at the hip with Israel but acts as if Europe, Canada etc are enemies?
I will never forgive those that thought it was a good idea to import people that hate us..
It’s a “conspiracy theory” but France’s population is like 25% non European and 10% Muslim. The more these people dismiss genuine concerns as conspiratorial, the worse it’ll get.
If you think this is ONLY bullshit – I hope you look deeper.
Because this is happening
We must have more European unity simply because it pisses of both USA and Ruzzia. We must be doing something right.
The U.S. wants to promote far-right parties in Europe who are against the EU, so keeping countries weaker on their own so they can be pushed and bullied around easier, The U.S. doesn’t want Russia, China or even the EU as a competitor. Russia is not really a challenge anymore so they’ve switched to China and are attempting to keep the EU down.
The shameful thing is how they go openly and explicitly against the EU, yet the EU just humilliates itself in the hopes to appease them.
They start a trade war, treason Ukraine, try to influence national elections in favour of fellow fascists, try to influence policy making in favour of disinformation + climate deregulation + american shitty products, are hostile to Europe pretty much everyday of the year… „But the USA is a valuable ally“.
Seriouly, I realize national governments are utterly miopic and Ursula is a complete inept uncapable of even the slightest initiative (or, at least, strong responses) but will it come a point at which they realize they’re doomed? Or is it just a desire to be slaves?
This coming from the idiocracy in the US.
Nice to see them parroting Russian propaganda.
Fuck the US. Fuck Russia.
Only united Europe can be strong.
Those are pretty big words. They definitely didn’t come from Trump but they have too many syllables to have originated with Miller or the other Nazis either.
„Civilisational erasure“ doesn’t really make a lot of sense on the face of it. I wonder what they are actually trying to say. That Europe will be Muslim?
Anyway at least Trump and his ilk don’t have any civilisation of note to erase.
A country forged by genocide, slavery, and mass migration claims civilizational erasure will destroy more homogeneous nations.
The U.S. exports destabilization, then points at the refugees (afghans, iraqis, syrians) fleeing it as proof of Europe’s decline.
Perhaps the real replacement theory is this, the empire, having consumed its own myths, now cannibalizes its allies to sustain itself.
If you actually believe there is Civilisational erasure in Europe, than you’d stop pushing your fucking culture on us.
Can our politicians stop pretending the USA is still an ally?
They are openly writing in their National Security Strategy that their goal is to bring far right parties to power in Europe.
This is what Fascist do. This is exactly how it happens and the reason they invade other countries.
Europe needs to include both Canada and the UK to for, a defence alliance to counter the Trump love fest with Putin’s Russia . Means that the USA’s bases in Europe are vacated and military contracts are revoked .0
The immigration discussion is, unfortunately, anything but nuanced. Both the strategy document as the comments here prove this once again. For some reason, we are unable to find a healthy middle ground of talk about it reasonably.
Claiming that European culture is purposely being wiped away and its population being replaced is definitely far-right propaganda. Very few people believe in a coordinated conscious plan to replace the native European population.
However; and this is very important I think, there is a large sentiment and ‘gut-feeling’ that Europeans are becoming a minority. They see that their cities are changing and know that the birth rates of the native population are decreasing. It worries many people. Also many visible and superficial/petty crimes are often carried out by immigrants. It doesn’t matter if it’s because of the social-economic status. It’s about what people experience. Combine that with terrorist attacks on Christmas markets, politicians adjusting European traditions to make them more inclusive (even though Muslims don’t care lol), mosques popping up out of the ground and schools with mostly non-European students – it adds to a feeling of losing control over your country.
Disregarding these feelings as ‘conspiracy theories’ calling people ‘racist’ or cheap comments such as: “what even is a native European?” doesn’t help at all in my opinion. We’ve been doing that for many years now, yet the group of people sharing this sentiment only became larger – now including centrists or some on the left side even.
So.. what do we do about it? Because it undermines Europeans’ love for their own continent. I see comments on the internet of people writing: ‘I’m not going to fight for my country which are basically only immigrants’ or ‘when there is war in Europe, all the immigrants will flee, they won’t take up arms’.
So I see people becoming indifferent about their own homes and countries. Something needs to be done about this.
EDIT: The problem we also have is that the only European parties dare speaking about this; are often far-right and work against European interests. There are very few (almost none) normal parties willing to tackle migration and acknowledge the changes in society.
Why do we only call one side „extreme“?
When we discuss politics, especially in the West, terms like „far-right,“ „extremist,“ or „conspiracy-driven“ are quickly applied to certain movements—often for good reason, when they promote hate or undermine democracy.
But it makes me wonder: do we hold all sides to the same standard?
When a strategy document or political speech echoes once-marginal ideas, criticism tends to focus on labeling the people behind them as „extreme.“ Yet we rarely apply the same forceful language when radically transformative—or even coercive—ideas come from other directions.
Has „extreme“ become a selective label rather than a real measure of political behavior?
In their most radical forms, both sides can seek to impose their vision, dismiss dialogue, and view opponents as existential threats. Both can drift toward illiberalism.
If we want honest dialogue, perhaps we should stop using „extreme“ as a rhetorical weapon and start using it as a mirror—a warning sign whenever any ideology, regardless of origin, begins to dehumanize others, reject pluralism, or seek domination.
The danger isn’t only on one side. It’s in the certainty that only we are right.
What if we looked at all extremes with the same clarity and concern?
It’s not far right to observe that Europe is becoming islamic!
Well Ill be damned colonization and divide-and-conquer came home
One of the lessons that should be learned from all of this, which we’ll do after we kicked Russia’s ass, is that it is questionable if one really should be able to hide behind free speech when promoting a hostile foreign enemy’s agenda.
We need to protect democracy by outlawing anyone that tries to overthrow it. But first, we need to deal with Moscow and make sure that the future Russian capital is on the other side of the Urals.
Hard to argue with the facts. Look at France and several parts of Germany. We have blockades at Christmas fairs now, because celebrating Christmas is an affront to some segments. Its the very definition of cultural destruction. As populations grow in certain regions, they slowly convert. There is no assimilation.
It pains me to read the defeatist comments of Europeans. I believe in Europe. Right now, Ukrainians are fighting for the opportunity to be part of the European Union! They are giving their lives, their health, and their comfort precisely because they do not want to be part of Russia and want to be part of the European Union! I believe that the free countries of Europe have a bright future and prosperity ahead of them! Just don’t give up! You can’t give up just because the US has a new plan that makes them out to be idiots!
America is currently being run by Russia. Trump is a Russian asset.
When China, Russia and the US gang up to wear down Europe, we Europeans are doing the right thing in the right way. Let’s defend our economy, our institutions and our people against those who want to establish „might is right“!