At this point his whole strategy is just hoping people stop paying attention, which is honestly adorable in a very unfortunate way. Every new detail makes his defense sink faster.
Grim_Discipline on
A lot of people need to go to jail. I hope there are people that are up to task.
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neloish on
Anyone who believes this headline is a fool, even the democrats say they not seeking impeachment.
willybestbuy86 on
Whoops
anonyquestions1 on
It’s also amazing that we’re discussing whether the second strike was legal when the first strike was CLEARLY ILLEGAL. You can’t just missile people you think might be dealing drugs. Imagine if police saw drug dealers on the corner and just started blasting.
ChinookKing on
Lets see the video.
Murky_Chocolate_7916 on
Dumbfuck still won’t be punished though.
Conscious-Fee7844 on
But the admiral already said Kegsshit didnt order it. So wont that basically absolve him and Trump of any wrong doing.. and put the onus on the admiral?
liquidgrill on
Meanwhile, all the Republicans that have seen the video are already saying they’re satisfied with the legality of it.
Nothing is going to come of this. As usual.
BioDriver on
>Yet here it gets even worse. The laws of war generally prohibit the killing of people who are no longer “in the fight” in any meaningful sense, specifically including the shipwrecked. But these lawmakers were told in the closed-door briefing that the two men were still deemed to be “in the fight” by virtue of the fact that there could have been still-transmittable drugs in the capsized and wrecked boat, Smith says. And that those two men sitting atop the wreckage could have continued with their delivery of them.
>“The evidence that I’ve seen absolutely demands a further and continued investigation,” Smith told me. “It strains credibility to say that they were still in the fight.”
>This badly undermines the story Hegseth has told. He has said that he did not see the two men before the second strike was ordered, suggesting both that he’d gone off to do other things and that the “fog of war” had prevented a clear viewing of the two men.
>Obviously what these lawmakers saw contradicts the latter suggestion: The two men were, in Smith’s telling, very visible, so the “fog of war” line appears to be nonsense. And Hegseth’s implication that the strike was justified due to confusion about the men’s status also appears to be in profound doubt.
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>But they did say that Hegseth’s declared mission was to kill all 11 people, Smith notes. “It was, ‘Destroy the drugs, kill all 11 people on board,’” Smith told me. “It is not that inaccurate to say that the rules of engagement from Hegseth were, ‘Kill all 11 people on that boat.’” And so, by all indications, that second strike appears to have been ordered to comply with Hegseth’s command.
This is 1000% a war crime starting from Hegseth. Send them all to the Hague.
ZLUCremisi on
Admiral and Hegseth both should face prison fir life.
nwgdad on
According to Tom Cotton (R) he “saw two survivors trying to flip a boat, loaded with drugs bound for the United States, back over so they could stay in the fight.”
This is confirmation of a shipwreck. The very example used in the directive detailing what determines an illegal operation.
There is also an inherent lie in his statement. The claim that they were flipping over a boat ‚loaded with drugs‘ is a lie because the boat was cabinless and any drugs that *may have been* in the boat would have been lost as a result of the capsizing.
throwaway9198675309 on
We are in clear danger now – It’s quite clear at this point that laws mean nothing to this administration. Laws are only weapons to be used against opponents, and plenty of judges and the supreme court are totally willing to play along.
From the midterms it’s clear that a lot of voters are fed up. But I have no doubt we will have to counter all sorts of illegal actions, cheating and violence in the next election.
Think of all the crooks in power right now that will go to jail if they lose. They would be stupid not to be planning how to throw the election – in the interest of self preservation. And the laws mean nothing to them.
MapleHamms on
Even if they’re found guilty, which they should be, we all know “Donakd” will just pardon them anyway
mvallas1073 on
I think Heggy is dumb/drunk enough to say “Well, I’m ALLOWED to do this because our President said I was in the right for this!” Thinking it’s a clever pride-filled strategy while unknowingly throwing Trump under the bus…
GAFSPeasant on
MAGA cultists will still defend whatever this administration does. The boat could’ve been completely destroyed and they’d still be saying “the narcoterrorists were trying to swim to the US to deliver the drugs”.
sdbrews on
Y’all really think anything is going to happen to him? Until something actually happens… and sticks, it’s just another day in the Trump regime.
danondorfcampbell on
We can be outraged and disgusted, but he will face zero repercussions. Nobody in this administration ever does. Prove me wrong.
bluePostItNote on
But Fox News said the fact that the people thrown overboard climbed back onto parts of the vessel meant that they were trying to save the drugs and still fighting America.
Do you expect me to believe they were just trying to not drown?! /s
Villapwn on
It doesn’t matter. They simply don’t care.
oinkforce1 on
A military grade version of stop and frisk. This one would be called stop and blow up brown people in speed boats.
hypnoticlife on
The audacity to show me an ad ON a paywall. Fuck you. Never clicking newrepublic again.
chubs66 on
I don’t know what they thought they were going to accomplish by bombing random boats a thousand miles away that were never going to land in the US in the first place.
Is it just a case of schoolboys (Trump, Hegseth) wanting to play with their fancy guns?
StoicVoyager on
Whether it’s a war crime or just murder, when both sides of the political isle agree the real question is what will be done about it. My guess is nothing, he resigns and everybody moves along. That’s why we are here, big dogs are never held accountable.
Budget_Coach_7134 on
Don’t forget to go after the chain of command down to the trigger puller. Fuck these dumb fucks.
The-BEAST on
“80 people killed on these boats” absolutely wild!
Celestial_Dysgenesis on
Imagine any of this fucking mattered
mrq02 on
‚The laws of war generally prohibit the killing of people who are no longer “in the fight” in any meaningful sense, specifically including the shipwrecked.‘
Doesn’t matter. We’re not at war. The laws of war do not apply, and this is not a war crime. This is *murder*.
timothywilsonmckenna on
Put a pissed-up prima donna in charge of the US military. What could possibly go wrong?
daroach1414 on
Has he said this video is ai yet?
iambarrelrider on
Someone given the power of an expert but with no expertise.
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At this point his whole strategy is just hoping people stop paying attention, which is honestly adorable in a very unfortunate way. Every new detail makes his defense sink faster.
A lot of people need to go to jail. I hope there are people that are up to task.
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Anyone who believes this headline is a fool, even the democrats say they not seeking impeachment.
Whoops
It’s also amazing that we’re discussing whether the second strike was legal when the first strike was CLEARLY ILLEGAL. You can’t just missile people you think might be dealing drugs. Imagine if police saw drug dealers on the corner and just started blasting.
Lets see the video.
Dumbfuck still won’t be punished though.
But the admiral already said Kegsshit didnt order it. So wont that basically absolve him and Trump of any wrong doing.. and put the onus on the admiral?
Meanwhile, all the Republicans that have seen the video are already saying they’re satisfied with the legality of it.
Nothing is going to come of this. As usual.
>Yet here it gets even worse. The laws of war generally prohibit the killing of people who are no longer “in the fight” in any meaningful sense, specifically including the shipwrecked. But these lawmakers were told in the closed-door briefing that the two men were still deemed to be “in the fight” by virtue of the fact that there could have been still-transmittable drugs in the capsized and wrecked boat, Smith says. And that those two men sitting atop the wreckage could have continued with their delivery of them.
>“The evidence that I’ve seen absolutely demands a further and continued investigation,” Smith told me. “It strains credibility to say that they were still in the fight.”
>This badly undermines the story Hegseth has told. He has said that he did not see the two men before the second strike was ordered, suggesting both that he’d gone off to do other things and that the “fog of war” had prevented a clear viewing of the two men.
>Obviously what these lawmakers saw contradicts the latter suggestion: The two men were, in Smith’s telling, very visible, so the “fog of war” line appears to be nonsense. And Hegseth’s implication that the strike was justified due to confusion about the men’s status also appears to be in profound doubt.
….
>But they did say that Hegseth’s declared mission was to kill all 11 people, Smith notes. “It was, ‘Destroy the drugs, kill all 11 people on board,’” Smith told me. “It is not that inaccurate to say that the rules of engagement from Hegseth were, ‘Kill all 11 people on that boat.’” And so, by all indications, that second strike appears to have been ordered to comply with Hegseth’s command.
This is 1000% a war crime starting from Hegseth. Send them all to the Hague.
Admiral and Hegseth both should face prison fir life.
According to Tom Cotton (R) he “saw two survivors trying to flip a boat, loaded with drugs bound for the United States, back over so they could stay in the fight.”
This is confirmation of a shipwreck. The very example used in the directive detailing what determines an illegal operation.
There is also an inherent lie in his statement. The claim that they were flipping over a boat ‚loaded with drugs‘ is a lie because the boat was cabinless and any drugs that *may have been* in the boat would have been lost as a result of the capsizing.
We are in clear danger now – It’s quite clear at this point that laws mean nothing to this administration. Laws are only weapons to be used against opponents, and plenty of judges and the supreme court are totally willing to play along.
From the midterms it’s clear that a lot of voters are fed up. But I have no doubt we will have to counter all sorts of illegal actions, cheating and violence in the next election.
Think of all the crooks in power right now that will go to jail if they lose. They would be stupid not to be planning how to throw the election – in the interest of self preservation. And the laws mean nothing to them.
Even if they’re found guilty, which they should be, we all know “Donakd” will just pardon them anyway
I think Heggy is dumb/drunk enough to say “Well, I’m ALLOWED to do this because our President said I was in the right for this!” Thinking it’s a clever pride-filled strategy while unknowingly throwing Trump under the bus…
MAGA cultists will still defend whatever this administration does. The boat could’ve been completely destroyed and they’d still be saying “the narcoterrorists were trying to swim to the US to deliver the drugs”.
Y’all really think anything is going to happen to him? Until something actually happens… and sticks, it’s just another day in the Trump regime.
We can be outraged and disgusted, but he will face zero repercussions. Nobody in this administration ever does. Prove me wrong.
But Fox News said the fact that the people thrown overboard climbed back onto parts of the vessel meant that they were trying to save the drugs and still fighting America.
Do you expect me to believe they were just trying to not drown?! /s
It doesn’t matter. They simply don’t care.
A military grade version of stop and frisk. This one would be called stop and blow up brown people in speed boats.
The audacity to show me an ad ON a paywall. Fuck you. Never clicking newrepublic again.
I don’t know what they thought they were going to accomplish by bombing random boats a thousand miles away that were never going to land in the US in the first place.
Is it just a case of schoolboys (Trump, Hegseth) wanting to play with their fancy guns?
Whether it’s a war crime or just murder, when both sides of the political isle agree the real question is what will be done about it. My guess is nothing, he resigns and everybody moves along. That’s why we are here, big dogs are never held accountable.
Don’t forget to go after the chain of command down to the trigger puller. Fuck these dumb fucks.
“80 people killed on these boats” absolutely wild!
Imagine any of this fucking mattered
‚The laws of war generally prohibit the killing of people who are no longer “in the fight” in any meaningful sense, specifically including the shipwrecked.‘
Doesn’t matter. We’re not at war. The laws of war do not apply, and this is not a war crime. This is *murder*.
Put a pissed-up prima donna in charge of the US military. What could possibly go wrong?
Has he said this video is ai yet?
Someone given the power of an expert but with no expertise.