Sorry for editing a bit the headline, it’s for more clarity reasons.
Here’s the article:
Most automakers are urging the European Union to drop the combustion engine ban planned for 2035. Car companies have legitimate reasons to push back, citing an underdeveloped charging infrastructure and higher EV prices. Additionally, there’s a serious risk that the automotive manufacturing industry would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs if all companies were forced to build only electric cars.
For a while, the EU seemed unwilling to budge. As recently as this past spring, the cut-off date was still in place. However, mounting pressure to change the legislation is finally working, as combustion engines will continue after the middle of the next decade. It appears a letter sent by German Chancellor Friedrich Merz to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen persuaded the governing body to back away from the ban.
In an interview with German business newspaper Handelsblatt (subscription required), the Commissioner for Sustainable Transport and Tourism said the letter has been “very well received in Brussels.” Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels.
One relevant example is HVO100, made entirely from hydrotreated vegetable oil derived from vegetable oils and animal fats. BMW already fuels diesel cars made in Germany with HVO100, which is claimed to curb emissions by 90 percent compared to regular diesel.
krazydude22 on
Not surprising. The ICE motor lobby is strong in both Germany and France…
Utstein on
In my view, this is a mistake. Time waits for no man, and this will just lead to Chinese EV hegemony.
PFavier on
Theg do not need to ban them..they could, and it could help to give perspective for EU carmakers to accelerate investments in new production lines, factories and supply chains.. if they don’t, ICE engines will no longer be in demand anyway in 10 years time (maybe for niche purposes) and China will eat all EU manufacturers lunch happily.
VW group, PSA, Stellantis.. they will either be in Chinese ownership, or bankrupt by that time.
It is better for all EU to keep the ban as a dot on the horizon, so that solid investments is the only logical outcome, and no longer „business as usual“
MavajaXe on
Hard to see green future with all that money blocking their eyesight…
Dismal-Attitude-5439 on
I’m ok with that. Tanks and IFVs run on diesel after all and Ivan won’t wait for your EFV to charge.
Lysek8 on
Yet another example why we’re just not good enough at this game. What’s next, subsidize the car industry because they’re not able to sell enough to compete with the better Chinese companies and we’re afraid that people will lose their jobs?
Tystros on
in practice it doesn’t matter, almost no one will want to buy combustible cars in 2035 anymore anyways. it will be like horse carriages, they aren’t banned (and funnily, at least here in Germany you don’t even need a drivers license to drive a horse carriage in regular traffic, so regulations for them are actually very favorable), but they also aren’t sold in any relevant numbers any more.
Nglf03 on
Aaaaand China won, again! Hi medievil Europa.
heapOfWallStreet on
Europe Always chicken out.
CertainMiddle2382 on
Please not the wood pellet scam one more time, pretending immediate CO2 emissions are somewhat compensating upstream or downstream in some other time in some other place…
AnDie1983 on
Completely reasonable, now that we have enough synthetic and e-fuels to run our heavy machinery and airplanes (which can’t easily switch to batteries)… oh wait…
Jindujun on
On one hand, i hate this news.
On the other hand, forcing people to buy an expensive EV is not great either.
Bring some dirt cheap EVs to market and people wouldnt mind switching.
babicko90 on
Wooohooo! Iike to have the flexibility. I think the market feedback is clear:
Ecar is meant to low/mid range buyer, and there is a danger of china.
No one wants an electric luxury vehicle at this stage, shown in the depreciation and sales.
Sport/enthusiast sales suffer even by hybridization and removing one cylinder
owlexe23 on
The European Green Deal is a farce.
Truffely on
Europe with vdL and Merz is a hostile takeover.
Merz was working for BlackRock the last 30years and fdL is even worse. We got rid of her in Germany because she was basically only working for lobbies.
pannon-pixie on
I said years ago that this would happen, and everyone booed me. Anyone who really knows the EU has known for years that the key decision makers, their political affiliations, and their networks have way too much money in the game.
ledow on
Congratulations oil industry, lobbyists and politicians: yet another decade of slowly murdering people. When we literally do not have to be doing so.
Alert_Suit_4873 on
When a bunch of girlbosses successfully regulated the European car industry into oblivion and now they have to walk it back… Beautiful! 💅
Upbeat_Parking_7794 on
„Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels.“
This is mostly for sport cars I believe.
Ecstatic_Garlic_6673 on
Weak
KaZaA4LiFe on
It’s too late already, so doesn’t really matter
r0w33 on
We need politicians with a vision of the future, not just an eye on the pockets of today’s big corps. This ain’t it.
YellowTango on
EPP digging our fucking grave.
Canadianman22 on
These sort of bans were always destined for this. It’s why politicians set the implementation date so far into the future. They can win votes immediately knowing they will likely not be around when the reality hits and the ban date is shifted or cancelled.
Treasko on
If they would make more entry level EV’s that weren’t huge blocks of pedestrian murder then I’d be interested.
The ones on the market now are expensive, too big for my old garage building and frankly I don’t like how everything is screens and even changing your brakes could require special software.
I prefer my early 2000s hatchback for my needs.
RadManSpliff on
What is the point in producing them anyways when the world is moving towards electric which is cheaper to produce easier to maintain. And the Chinese already control the market which we are lagging behind. But sure, lets continue producing more of the antiques.
Jester-252 on
Just in time for VW (as Audi) enters F1 with new engine regs that use 100% sustainable fuel.
Odd-Future1037 on
Excellent news. It was pointless and counterproductive.
Mind you, the only manufacturer that came out in support of the ban was Volvo. But Volvo is owned by China’s Geely. So that explains it.
tobakist on
We’re looking to buy a new car but all EV:s are incredibly expensive, and the electricity market makes it very difficult to get good enough economy in it. We simply can’t afford an EV. I know we’re not alone in this situation.
Davidusmu on
Rare UE W. Let us enjoy real cars, not vacum cleaners shaped like a box
Szpagin on
Would they manage to create an infrastructure to create zero-emission fuels in just 10 years? I don’t think so. On the other hand, this might be a slippery slope to revise this in 5 years and keep selling fossil fuel-powered cars.
DrDrWest on
Why are we so insistent on destroying our future?
AdminDaVidaReal on
But is the EU bringing Lada Bac, with new safety regulations back or is this just theatre? 🤔
Commerce also brings peace, you know 🙂
LazyGandalf on
>Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but **only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels**.
Unsurprisingly a lot of people didn’t bother to read the article.
yksvaan on
It’s as if someone mentioned them the realities. **Oh…**
eucariota92 on
No other country is introducing a ban to ICEs. The idea to ban them was stupid to begin with.
It is not a surprise that the EU is backtracking.
ValestyK on
China won the EV war, europe complacent and slow to change as usual.
Antar3s86 on
That back and forth is actually the worst for the industry, I think. It would have been great to decide on one path 10 years ago. Now it’s all a stupid mix and no clear path forward.
_jroc_ on
JK
-EU
Justux205 on
Since we are already copying china with privacy laws, might as well copy them with car industry, at least that would be something useful
For everyone who doesn’t know china has a bidding system for car plates since there is a limit how many can be issued a year so its hella expensive, but for electric cars its free
xvilo on
Bad decision imho
Mrstrawberry209 on
The green deal has been weaken so much it’s basically dead. The EU doesn’t want to lead nor innovate and so it continues to trail behind the larger nations. At least there’s mentions of alternative fuels to offset carbon emissions.
North-Creative on
Chat control on the last meters, investment into yesteryear tech, still no real investment into Ukraine, while US and Russia want to make a deal to become rich like the nazis that they’re…honestly, my supportive mindset towards the EU is slowly disappearing…
AlvanikosPoimenikos on
THANK GOD, FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS.
Cautious_Use_7442 on
I have had mild-hybrid and full-hybrid cars as rentals and the electric driving and one pedal driving were 🔥(the combustion bit was less fun). Being driven around in EV Ubers and cabs is 🔥 too.
Can’t imagine buying/leasing/renting an ICE again. And I suspect that to be the case for most people once EVs do have +600km range (to convince even drivers with severe range anxiety).
The Germans get their short term win but will pay for it in the long run. I had a base MB GLA as a rental car last week. Even driving economically, it used 8L of petrol per 100 km. A similar sized Toyota hybrid would get 5L /100 km with a very agressive and fast driving style.
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Sorry for editing a bit the headline, it’s for more clarity reasons.
Here’s the article:
Most automakers are urging the European Union to drop the combustion engine ban planned for 2035. Car companies have legitimate reasons to push back, citing an underdeveloped charging infrastructure and higher EV prices. Additionally, there’s a serious risk that the automotive manufacturing industry would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs if all companies were forced to build only electric cars.
For a while, the EU seemed unwilling to budge. As recently as this past spring, the cut-off date was still in place. However, mounting pressure to change the legislation is finally working, as combustion engines will continue after the middle of the next decade. It appears a letter sent by German Chancellor Friedrich Merz to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen persuaded the governing body to back away from the ban.
In an interview with German business newspaper Handelsblatt (subscription required), the Commissioner for Sustainable Transport and Tourism said the letter has been “very well received in Brussels.” Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels.
One relevant example is HVO100, made entirely from hydrotreated vegetable oil derived from vegetable oils and animal fats. BMW already fuels diesel cars made in Germany with HVO100, which is claimed to curb emissions by 90 percent compared to regular diesel.
Not surprising. The ICE motor lobby is strong in both Germany and France…
In my view, this is a mistake. Time waits for no man, and this will just lead to Chinese EV hegemony.
Theg do not need to ban them..they could, and it could help to give perspective for EU carmakers to accelerate investments in new production lines, factories and supply chains.. if they don’t, ICE engines will no longer be in demand anyway in 10 years time (maybe for niche purposes) and China will eat all EU manufacturers lunch happily.
VW group, PSA, Stellantis.. they will either be in Chinese ownership, or bankrupt by that time.
It is better for all EU to keep the ban as a dot on the horizon, so that solid investments is the only logical outcome, and no longer „business as usual“
Hard to see green future with all that money blocking their eyesight…
I’m ok with that. Tanks and IFVs run on diesel after all and Ivan won’t wait for your EFV to charge.
Yet another example why we’re just not good enough at this game. What’s next, subsidize the car industry because they’re not able to sell enough to compete with the better Chinese companies and we’re afraid that people will lose their jobs?
in practice it doesn’t matter, almost no one will want to buy combustible cars in 2035 anymore anyways. it will be like horse carriages, they aren’t banned (and funnily, at least here in Germany you don’t even need a drivers license to drive a horse carriage in regular traffic, so regulations for them are actually very favorable), but they also aren’t sold in any relevant numbers any more.
Aaaaand China won, again! Hi medievil Europa.
Europe Always chicken out.
Please not the wood pellet scam one more time, pretending immediate CO2 emissions are somewhat compensating upstream or downstream in some other time in some other place…
Completely reasonable, now that we have enough synthetic and e-fuels to run our heavy machinery and airplanes (which can’t easily switch to batteries)… oh wait…
On one hand, i hate this news.
On the other hand, forcing people to buy an expensive EV is not great either.
Bring some dirt cheap EVs to market and people wouldnt mind switching.
Wooohooo! Iike to have the flexibility. I think the market feedback is clear:
Ecar is meant to low/mid range buyer, and there is a danger of china.
No one wants an electric luxury vehicle at this stage, shown in the depreciation and sales.
Sport/enthusiast sales suffer even by hybridization and removing one cylinder
The European Green Deal is a farce.
Europe with vdL and Merz is a hostile takeover.
Merz was working for BlackRock the last 30years and fdL is even worse. We got rid of her in Germany because she was basically only working for lobbies.
I said years ago that this would happen, and everyone booed me. Anyone who really knows the EU has known for years that the key decision makers, their political affiliations, and their networks have way too much money in the game.
Congratulations oil industry, lobbyists and politicians: yet another decade of slowly murdering people. When we literally do not have to be doing so.
When a bunch of girlbosses successfully regulated the European car industry into oblivion and now they have to walk it back… Beautiful! 💅
„Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels.“
This is mostly for sport cars I believe.
Weak
It’s too late already, so doesn’t really matter
We need politicians with a vision of the future, not just an eye on the pockets of today’s big corps. This ain’t it.
EPP digging our fucking grave.
These sort of bans were always destined for this. It’s why politicians set the implementation date so far into the future. They can win votes immediately knowing they will likely not be around when the reality hits and the ban date is shifted or cancelled.
If they would make more entry level EV’s that weren’t huge blocks of pedestrian murder then I’d be interested.
The ones on the market now are expensive, too big for my old garage building and frankly I don’t like how everything is screens and even changing your brakes could require special software.
I prefer my early 2000s hatchback for my needs.
What is the point in producing them anyways when the world is moving towards electric which is cheaper to produce easier to maintain. And the Chinese already control the market which we are lagging behind. But sure, lets continue producing more of the antiques.
Just in time for VW (as Audi) enters F1 with new engine regs that use 100% sustainable fuel.
Excellent news. It was pointless and counterproductive.
Mind you, the only manufacturer that came out in support of the ban was Volvo. But Volvo is owned by China’s Geely. So that explains it.
We’re looking to buy a new car but all EV:s are incredibly expensive, and the electricity market makes it very difficult to get good enough economy in it. We simply can’t afford an EV. I know we’re not alone in this situation.
Rare UE W. Let us enjoy real cars, not vacum cleaners shaped like a box
Would they manage to create an infrastructure to create zero-emission fuels in just 10 years? I don’t think so. On the other hand, this might be a slippery slope to revise this in 5 years and keep selling fossil fuel-powered cars.
Why are we so insistent on destroying our future?
But is the EU bringing Lada Bac, with new safety regulations back or is this just theatre? 🤔
Commerce also brings peace, you know 🙂
>Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but **only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels**.
Unsurprisingly a lot of people didn’t bother to read the article.
It’s as if someone mentioned them the realities. **Oh…**
No other country is introducing a ban to ICEs. The idea to ban them was stupid to begin with.
It is not a surprise that the EU is backtracking.
China won the EV war, europe complacent and slow to change as usual.
That back and forth is actually the worst for the industry, I think. It would have been great to decide on one path 10 years ago. Now it’s all a stupid mix and no clear path forward.
JK
-EU
Since we are already copying china with privacy laws, might as well copy them with car industry, at least that would be something useful
For everyone who doesn’t know china has a bidding system for car plates since there is a limit how many can be issued a year so its hella expensive, but for electric cars its free
Bad decision imho
The green deal has been weaken so much it’s basically dead. The EU doesn’t want to lead nor innovate and so it continues to trail behind the larger nations. At least there’s mentions of alternative fuels to offset carbon emissions.
Chat control on the last meters, investment into yesteryear tech, still no real investment into Ukraine, while US and Russia want to make a deal to become rich like the nazis that they’re…honestly, my supportive mindset towards the EU is slowly disappearing…
THANK GOD, FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS.
I have had mild-hybrid and full-hybrid cars as rentals and the electric driving and one pedal driving were 🔥(the combustion bit was less fun). Being driven around in EV Ubers and cabs is 🔥 too.
Can’t imagine buying/leasing/renting an ICE again. And I suspect that to be the case for most people once EVs do have +600km range (to convince even drivers with severe range anxiety).
The Germans get their short term win but will pay for it in the long run. I had a base MB GLA as a rental car last week. Even driving economically, it used 8L of petrol per 100 km. A similar sized Toyota hybrid would get 5L /100 km with a very agressive and fast driving style.