Die Kontroverse um Herzog Park führt zu Forderungen, Straßennamen mit Ursprung im britischen Empire zu entfernen
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-should-be-reclaiming-the-city-calls-to-decolonise-dublin-to-remove-street-names-with-british-empire-origins/a1972742722.html
Von struggling_farmer
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It seems a can of worms has been opened with renaming places & buildings..
how do we put the lid back on?
Surely more important thing to be working on.
Jesus fuck
Well this is the thing, you can’t go on about renaming a tiny park but ignore street names like Nassau Street, Wellington Quay, Queen Street, King Street etc
Calls from who? Sound like a cooked up sinario to subtract credibility from zionist fucktards that are annoyed about the inevitability of Herzog park being renamed one way or another.
We laughed at the Yanks and Brits over this shite and here we are.
If you’re offended by the name of a street or park you are the problem, morons.
Can open, worms everywhere; what a collosal waste of time and resources this would prove to be once the extent of the „not Irish“ names was revealed. A non controversy, now elongated by those with nothing but time and ideology to waste.
> Could we rename like Beresford Place there where Liberty Hall is? Surely that should be called Connolly Place after James Connolly with the statue [across the road]
This could lead to a lot of visitors to Dublin missing their trains, I reckon.
More valuable time wasted on non matters.
Does Irish history now start in 1921?
There are still a handful of roads here with Cromwells name in them. He basically killed a quarter of all Irish people that lived in Ireland at that time.
The problem here is we don’t fucking name any street after anything other than revolutionary leaders or dead poets and writers and even the later is rare nowadays. You will get „the Park“, „the Crescent“ „Seven Oaks“ or whatever as street names for half of fucking Dublin and yet you can’t have „Rory Gallagher street“ or „Van Morrison Way“, I’d take „Damien Rice Road“ over whatever the fuck soulless fucking street name they make next. The rules on street names require that they have local or historical importance, I’d think some of the names of stuff pre-Independence has a lot more relevance than calling an estate „Mariner’s Point“. Why are we fucking allergic to celebrating anyone who has done fucking anything in the last 100 years. I’d take a school named after Bono than the 1000th fucking primary school called „St Brigid’s National School“.
Don’t see the point of all this. Seems like a bunch of people with little time on their hands.
I love Herzogs films and documentaries. I never knew he was so divisive.
Oh great, the quest for purity has re-opened. Someone take in the statues outside the Shelbourne again.
Just leave the street names as they are. Nobody gives a fuck about this!
If you’re going to „cancel“ the Duke of Wellington in Ireland, you also need to rename the Shelbourne Hotel. Both Wellington and Shelbourne were born in Ireland, but served in the British Army.
PS wait till they find out what „RDS“ is short for ..!
Oh fuck off. Jesus wept rename half the city then? I swear to God it’s like everything revolves around the same opinions you would hear at a student union politics meeting. Like is there actually anyone who is pissed off at the fact Dublin has British street names? Is that actually something that goes through peoples heads on the regular?
There is only a debate amongst those with too much time on their hands for idle thought. Of all the issues Dublin is facing, and this lot are worried about street names.
Years ago I lived in South Africa. There was a cliff ridge the neighbours called „Mzilikazi’s Krantz“. Mzilikazi was Shaka Zulu’s genocidal general. His name literally makes people shudder still.
I asked one of the neighbours, a Tswana woman, how she felt about their version of Cromwell being commemorated. She said it was important. The kids ask about the name and the stories of the Zulu conquest live on.
There’s a Cromwell’s bridge not far from.my house and I often think about it. The mass murder and cultural genocide and death of our true culture. The name doesn’t make me want to lionize him. But it is a powerful name.
I think some people of a certain political stripe assume they can control culture and how it evolves by erasing the „bad“ (not trendy) parts of history. They use cherry picked history as a political manipulation tool.
Its a mistake to assume every commemoration is a commendation.
Fuck this guy whoever he is.
What will we rename Buckingham Street in D1..?
Hutch Heights, perhaps?
A lot of people don’t realise that all the train stations named after 1916 figures didn’t become that until there was a wave of re naming around the 50th anniversary. It didn’t cause the country to crumble and I think the station names are liked by most people. Why not rename streets/parks etc? The only reason there’s a lot of streets etc named after aristocrats or monarchs is that the aristocrats owned and built those streets or because local councils were boot licking the current king/Queen. If we still did that we’d have shit like BAM Avenue.
People get over changes. They’re our streets, we ought to name them how we like in a democratic and thought out manner.
Can we ‘remove’ the thought police left winger zealots who suggested this, from our country?
Dublin was a city founded by norsemen who raped and pillaged. burn the place to the ground /s
where do you stop…
This is stupid, we won, leave the names alone.
In Cork the business people are trying to create an area named after the famine queen. They are pushing that the area around McCurtain St. (named after Tomás McCurtain) be called the Victorian Quarter. 🤮
It’s not an official term but they’ve somehow gotten it so show up on Google Maps.
Couldn’t we just learn from these things? We can teach history instead of erasing it.
It was named after X because public perception at the time was Y, it later turned out X was actually a massive Z.
Naming places after people is a bad idea. You might get away with it if they’re in the grave long enough. It was a great move with the new Irish state’s coins to use animals native to Ireland and an artistic symbol like the harp. That stood us well coming out of a time of division and civil war. Whatever about what’s already existing in the naming of places, going forward I think it would be better to look at naming places after things which have an Irish connection, with some distinctive quality to them, and are not likely to come encumbered at some point with all the problems and complications of human beings.
If we get into this it’ll be endless performative outrage. Just leave them alone.