At this point what is the US going to discuss in Moscow? Judging by the latest developments, intel on when and how they will strike
savagebongo on
Russia should hand over their war criminal.
PolloConTeriyaki on
Lol at this point Russia isn’t gonna win this war and Congress when it turns blue is gonna burn them down.
FMKit on
It’s sky news…. Take it for how you value their opinion.
Responsible-Baby-551 on
US envoy/russian asset to meet his handlers. There fixed it
Jazzlike-Ad113 on
Ask, politely, to see the photos.
Mundane_Opening3831 on
Bullshit. Unlikely NATO would even launch a retaliatory or even defensive strike at this point.
browneod on
Bullshit, none of those countries are going to strike Russia
mvw2 on
It’s like watching two cannibals argue about who gets which body parts why the other guy is still fully alive and armed with a machine gun. It’s such a wildly strange behavior to see, so disconnected from reality to openly go „I want the pancreas, and you can have the liver.“
Like „Dudes, I’m still fucking alive! And I have guns. What are you even doing here?!“
That’s the level of batty we’re talking here.
And sure, some like to think that Ukraine is barely scraping by, but…you ever wonder why that is? You ever wonder why it’s long, long, long been such a stalemate? Why has the US and NATO and other allies done juuuuuuust enough to keep things stationary? Have you ever stopped and thought about that, seriously thought about that.
What is this war really? It isn’t to win, not really. This war has been a brick wall for Putin to bang his head against for 3 full years. It has been a brick wall for Putin to throw millions of troops at and turn them to paste. It’s been 3 full years of huge sway in public sentiment. It’s been 3 years of sanctions and choking out a significant volume of world trade and business ties. This has been a tool to weaken Russia and in the end to ultimately become Putin’s greatest failure. The end of the failure could be many things, but a win in Ukraine has never been an option. Putin isn’t fighting Ukraine. Putin is fighting much of the rest of the world, and at least up until Trump last January, also the two largest militaries on the planet, again, both barely lifting a finger for 3 years. Ukraine is the tool to turn Russia peaceful, ideally with a regime change, but only time will tell.
Trump knows this too. NATO knows this and understand the mission. Trump abandoned it and just wants to steal and con, true to his nature. Putin is stuck with…well…whatever he can get and leverage with Trump. And Trump’s stupid enough to think Putin’s following along and might (laughable) share something with Trump. Putin will just take everything. It’s all he cares about. If Trump is a means to that, good.
But NATO, NATO still is on mission and will simply fill in where needed. They’re already investing more and preparing to back fill whatever’s needed to keep it going. Putin’s getting to the end game now, not much else to do, not many more people to throw at the wall, not much resources left. He touts a lot, but again, he’s not fighting Ukraine. He’s fighting the world, even if the world is mostly sitting back and watching. That world has vastly more recourses and time to ensure forever that Putin will never win this, with or without the US.
The only thing the US lost was favor post war. Any benefits we could have ever gotten after the war is gone. Favorable business, favorable trade, first rights to purchase, long term partnerships, infrastructure build up, all that gone. Trump gave it all away. None of that is on the table now. There is zero access to it besides force which is why he’s so aligned with Putin. Trump somehow things that’s the win state, but it’s not. Putin will give nothing, period. So Trump just gave up everything…for nothing. Brilliant business man.
In the end NATO allies who actually stayed and committed will reap all the rewards. They have significant opportunity to gain all that favor once this is over, and they will prosper for it. It was the right move, and they know it. But it’s a waiting game. It’s just time. And in the background, we don’t see the ongoing negotiations over this stuff. Trump is also very likely cut off from a LOT of active discussions. The US is very likely in the dark with 90% of what’s going on, what’s planned, and the longer game. There’s just no point to include the US at all at this point. The US has already aligned with Putin, so there is no value. It’s also bad to share any intel or planning. Much of what happens from now on will likely be to great surprise of Trump.
TheHomersapien on
By „preemptive“ they mean striking a country that has blown up commercial air traffic and that routinely invades it’s neighbors (what the panty waists in EU countries call „unauthorized incursions.“)?
vossmanspal on
This could soon read: US envoy gets drafted in Moscow!
Putin telling agent orange he wants the US military to protect Russia from NATO.
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NATO without Trump, maybe.
Gotta get them new marching orders.
At this point what is the US going to discuss in Moscow? Judging by the latest developments, intel on when and how they will strike
Russia should hand over their war criminal.
Lol at this point Russia isn’t gonna win this war and Congress when it turns blue is gonna burn them down.
It’s sky news…. Take it for how you value their opinion.
US envoy/russian asset to meet his handlers. There fixed it
Ask, politely, to see the photos.
Bullshit. Unlikely NATO would even launch a retaliatory or even defensive strike at this point.
Bullshit, none of those countries are going to strike Russia
It’s like watching two cannibals argue about who gets which body parts why the other guy is still fully alive and armed with a machine gun. It’s such a wildly strange behavior to see, so disconnected from reality to openly go „I want the pancreas, and you can have the liver.“
Like „Dudes, I’m still fucking alive! And I have guns. What are you even doing here?!“
That’s the level of batty we’re talking here.
And sure, some like to think that Ukraine is barely scraping by, but…you ever wonder why that is? You ever wonder why it’s long, long, long been such a stalemate? Why has the US and NATO and other allies done juuuuuuust enough to keep things stationary? Have you ever stopped and thought about that, seriously thought about that.
What is this war really? It isn’t to win, not really. This war has been a brick wall for Putin to bang his head against for 3 full years. It has been a brick wall for Putin to throw millions of troops at and turn them to paste. It’s been 3 full years of huge sway in public sentiment. It’s been 3 years of sanctions and choking out a significant volume of world trade and business ties. This has been a tool to weaken Russia and in the end to ultimately become Putin’s greatest failure. The end of the failure could be many things, but a win in Ukraine has never been an option. Putin isn’t fighting Ukraine. Putin is fighting much of the rest of the world, and at least up until Trump last January, also the two largest militaries on the planet, again, both barely lifting a finger for 3 years. Ukraine is the tool to turn Russia peaceful, ideally with a regime change, but only time will tell.
Trump knows this too. NATO knows this and understand the mission. Trump abandoned it and just wants to steal and con, true to his nature. Putin is stuck with…well…whatever he can get and leverage with Trump. And Trump’s stupid enough to think Putin’s following along and might (laughable) share something with Trump. Putin will just take everything. It’s all he cares about. If Trump is a means to that, good.
But NATO, NATO still is on mission and will simply fill in where needed. They’re already investing more and preparing to back fill whatever’s needed to keep it going. Putin’s getting to the end game now, not much else to do, not many more people to throw at the wall, not much resources left. He touts a lot, but again, he’s not fighting Ukraine. He’s fighting the world, even if the world is mostly sitting back and watching. That world has vastly more recourses and time to ensure forever that Putin will never win this, with or without the US.
The only thing the US lost was favor post war. Any benefits we could have ever gotten after the war is gone. Favorable business, favorable trade, first rights to purchase, long term partnerships, infrastructure build up, all that gone. Trump gave it all away. None of that is on the table now. There is zero access to it besides force which is why he’s so aligned with Putin. Trump somehow things that’s the win state, but it’s not. Putin will give nothing, period. So Trump just gave up everything…for nothing. Brilliant business man.
In the end NATO allies who actually stayed and committed will reap all the rewards. They have significant opportunity to gain all that favor once this is over, and they will prosper for it. It was the right move, and they know it. But it’s a waiting game. It’s just time. And in the background, we don’t see the ongoing negotiations over this stuff. Trump is also very likely cut off from a LOT of active discussions. The US is very likely in the dark with 90% of what’s going on, what’s planned, and the longer game. There’s just no point to include the US at all at this point. The US has already aligned with Putin, so there is no value. It’s also bad to share any intel or planning. Much of what happens from now on will likely be to great surprise of Trump.
By „preemptive“ they mean striking a country that has blown up commercial air traffic and that routinely invades it’s neighbors (what the panty waists in EU countries call „unauthorized incursions.“)?
This could soon read: US envoy gets drafted in Moscow!
Putin telling agent orange he wants the US military to protect Russia from NATO.