AFAIK this was the council vote and not the parliament vote. Germany being against Chat Control was related to German MPs‘ stances on the issue and not to the German governement. The parliament is yet to vote on this resolution.
Ega8442 on
I think since Merz (f*tzen fritz) got in
No_Honeydew6065 on
Afaik they didnt do it yet.
Vast_Security_469 on
Because the politicians are afraid of its people and the temptation to control the chats is irresistible.
Its a sad day.
ubus99 on
German polititians are split pretty evenly, so flip-flopping is to be expected. At the same time, many polititians play with the publics attention span, failing a law just to pass it in the second try while „it failed“ is still on everyones mind.
logical_psych_o on
EU laws were supposed to be something that people in every country could yearn to have.
But unfortunately, every country just wants to selfishly control their people.
Even-Professor-518 on
lobby seems to pay well
m4lrik on
How is swapping from „undecided“ to „in favour“ „changing the idea“ about anything?
The current majority leading party was always in favour but they had to argue with their coalition. And it still is completely in limbo if such a law could even be ratified here, because it would require a changing of the „basic law“ which needs a 2/3 majority vote. No matter how the German representative in the EU parliament votes.
Skygge_or_Skov on
Cause the conservative government thinks the discussion about it is out of public discourse, so now they can vote for their beloved mass surveillance again instead of presenting themselves as defenders of its citizens privacy.
fray_bentos11 on
What is chat control?
MountainofPolitics on
Why is “opposing” in green and “in favor” red
FloppyGhost0815 on
They did not. If you follow closely they voted for a change of the orignial proposal.
And basically that says “ no mandatory chat control“
Moistest_Postone on
Nothing about this is democratic. it is the opinion of our buerocrats and technocrats, not of the people. not in germany, not anywhere else.
squarepants18 on
We have a tendency to central control..
Testosteron123 on
CDU/SPD is and was always pro monitoring the citizens, so i dont know where this stuff with germany would be against it come from, maybe lower local politicans who still are in touch with citizens might be against it but not the top brass.
Some police uses US Palantir Software Gotham, and CDU wants to use it in the whole country
BrennanBetelgeuse on
This law is such an insult to European citizens, it might just be the beginning of the end of the EU.
If they legistlate like this, my will to defend the EU against Brexit-types will erode with every law.
I would of course prefer a reform of the EU to make it truly democratic, but if they move in the opposite direction, it might just be time to end the experiment for good.
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AFAIK this was the council vote and not the parliament vote. Germany being against Chat Control was related to German MPs‘ stances on the issue and not to the German governement. The parliament is yet to vote on this resolution.
I think since Merz (f*tzen fritz) got in
Afaik they didnt do it yet.
Because the politicians are afraid of its people and the temptation to control the chats is irresistible.
Its a sad day.
German polititians are split pretty evenly, so flip-flopping is to be expected. At the same time, many polititians play with the publics attention span, failing a law just to pass it in the second try while „it failed“ is still on everyones mind.
EU laws were supposed to be something that people in every country could yearn to have.
But unfortunately, every country just wants to selfishly control their people.
lobby seems to pay well
How is swapping from „undecided“ to „in favour“ „changing the idea“ about anything?
The current majority leading party was always in favour but they had to argue with their coalition. And it still is completely in limbo if such a law could even be ratified here, because it would require a changing of the „basic law“ which needs a 2/3 majority vote. No matter how the German representative in the EU parliament votes.
Cause the conservative government thinks the discussion about it is out of public discourse, so now they can vote for their beloved mass surveillance again instead of presenting themselves as defenders of its citizens privacy.
What is chat control?
Why is “opposing” in green and “in favor” red
They did not. If you follow closely they voted for a change of the orignial proposal.
And basically that says “ no mandatory chat control“
Nothing about this is democratic. it is the opinion of our buerocrats and technocrats, not of the people. not in germany, not anywhere else.
We have a tendency to central control..
CDU/SPD is and was always pro monitoring the citizens, so i dont know where this stuff with germany would be against it come from, maybe lower local politicans who still are in touch with citizens might be against it but not the top brass.
Just look in the past:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act)
Some police uses US Palantir Software Gotham, and CDU wants to use it in the whole country
This law is such an insult to European citizens, it might just be the beginning of the end of the EU.
If they legistlate like this, my will to defend the EU against Brexit-types will erode with every law.
I would of course prefer a reform of the EU to make it truly democratic, but if they move in the opposite direction, it might just be time to end the experiment for good.