I find it’s something to work on if you’re running for leadership. Part of the game rules. Otherwise, you’re also saying that you’re not really considering being PM or a leading party for that matter.
PotentialRise7587 on
I did cringe a bit watching the debate. Lewis looked the most comfortable by a good margin.
I don’t remember Singh’s French being all that great, but by the time of the 2019 election, it was it pretty decent.
beefstewforyou on
7/8 of Canada isn’t either. I don’t see why this matters. If it were the other way around and only 1/8 people spoke English, I wouldn’t care if they did.
kleopwdb on
It was hard to watch, the host sounded like a schoolteacher. As a francophone living in Quebec this sort of thing just makes the NDP seem fundamentally unserious. Do you want to present yourself as a realistic option to govern a country where 20% of people speak French? Then present candidates who can communicate with them.
Because right now it just seems like the NDP is an anglo party for anglos who care more about their own internal politics than one that’s interested in governing a bilingual country. Wonder why Quebec overwhelmingly votes liberal? It’s in large part because they’re the only major party other than the bloc which actually seems bilingual, to care about french, and has a mixture of anglo and franco politicians.
Amtoj on
It’s a joke when they’re all saying how important Quebec is to forming a government, that they’re francophiles, or that they love Quebecois culture, and that immediately being followed by a few of them insisting that a lack of French isn’t a barrier to being leader of this country.
Shows that some of them have got nothing but platitudes for us.
CaptainPeppa on
I mean their leaders can’t hold onto their seats. Try and get a base somewhere before you start worrying about Quebec.
Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl on
They are francophones the same way that anglos told me they loved learning French in the Ontario school system with a good old ‚Bone-jahur cummint sah vaha‘
NAHTHEHNRFS850 on
The main reason why the Liberals are the dominant political force is because of their appeal to Francophones.
Until another party is able to break into that sphere while also appealing to anglophones, they will remain the dominant force in politics.
mikegimik on
It’s pretty simple really, just have co-leaders or have your leader designate someone for the debates. As a quebecker it wouldn’t bother me in the least and in fact I would prefer it as it would make it less of a struggle for them to debate. Run solid candidates and get your message on rinse/repeat.
litesxmas on
I wish I had studied harder in school and could speak French but that clip of the woman murdering French was embarrassing. Of course not having a leader who’s fluent is going to hurt the NDP.
Slumbering_sloth on
I’m not a francophone so idk how compelling it is in Quebec, but I found Johnston’s answer about understanding the importance of language because of how few fluent speakers of her language there are compelling.
But it really feels like Lewis was the only one who actually planned on running as soon as it became clear Jagmeet’s cook was goosed. I found the whole debate pretty depressing between the „French“ and the lack of…energy? McPherson was a big disappointment imo, I would’ve expected the only MP on that stage to stand out a bit but aside from protest cookies I can’t remember a thing she said.
I think my hope is whoever wins here will be a placeholder until some…better candidates like Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Matthew Green, Charlie Angus, Blake Desjarlais or, ideally, Wab are ready to run.
Wasdgta3 on
In the short term, no.
This isn’t a party who are looking to form government, or whose leader is going to be a candidate for Prime Minister for a few elections to come. They’re in rebuild mode, where they’re trying to build back to a place where they’re a serious consideration again, they’re not going to go from 7 seats to forming government overnight.
It’s in the longer term, once they get to that stage (if they get back to that stage) that it becomes an issue, as should be obvious.
I know people like to eye Quebec as a potent area for the NDP, but the Orange Wave is firmly behind us now. Only one NDP MP remains in Quebec, and that’s more of an Elizabeth May situation with his riding, than anything about the party brand, AFAIK.
But put simply, I don’t think Quebec is where the NDP rebuild starts.
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I find it’s something to work on if you’re running for leadership. Part of the game rules. Otherwise, you’re also saying that you’re not really considering being PM or a leading party for that matter.
I did cringe a bit watching the debate. Lewis looked the most comfortable by a good margin.
I don’t remember Singh’s French being all that great, but by the time of the 2019 election, it was it pretty decent.
7/8 of Canada isn’t either. I don’t see why this matters. If it were the other way around and only 1/8 people spoke English, I wouldn’t care if they did.
It was hard to watch, the host sounded like a schoolteacher. As a francophone living in Quebec this sort of thing just makes the NDP seem fundamentally unserious. Do you want to present yourself as a realistic option to govern a country where 20% of people speak French? Then present candidates who can communicate with them.
Because right now it just seems like the NDP is an anglo party for anglos who care more about their own internal politics than one that’s interested in governing a bilingual country. Wonder why Quebec overwhelmingly votes liberal? It’s in large part because they’re the only major party other than the bloc which actually seems bilingual, to care about french, and has a mixture of anglo and franco politicians.
It’s a joke when they’re all saying how important Quebec is to forming a government, that they’re francophiles, or that they love Quebecois culture, and that immediately being followed by a few of them insisting that a lack of French isn’t a barrier to being leader of this country.
Shows that some of them have got nothing but platitudes for us.
I mean their leaders can’t hold onto their seats. Try and get a base somewhere before you start worrying about Quebec.
They are francophones the same way that anglos told me they loved learning French in the Ontario school system with a good old ‚Bone-jahur cummint sah vaha‘
The main reason why the Liberals are the dominant political force is because of their appeal to Francophones.
Until another party is able to break into that sphere while also appealing to anglophones, they will remain the dominant force in politics.
It’s pretty simple really, just have co-leaders or have your leader designate someone for the debates. As a quebecker it wouldn’t bother me in the least and in fact I would prefer it as it would make it less of a struggle for them to debate. Run solid candidates and get your message on rinse/repeat.
I wish I had studied harder in school and could speak French but that clip of the woman murdering French was embarrassing. Of course not having a leader who’s fluent is going to hurt the NDP.
I’m not a francophone so idk how compelling it is in Quebec, but I found Johnston’s answer about understanding the importance of language because of how few fluent speakers of her language there are compelling.
But it really feels like Lewis was the only one who actually planned on running as soon as it became clear Jagmeet’s cook was goosed. I found the whole debate pretty depressing between the „French“ and the lack of…energy? McPherson was a big disappointment imo, I would’ve expected the only MP on that stage to stand out a bit but aside from protest cookies I can’t remember a thing she said.
I think my hope is whoever wins here will be a placeholder until some…better candidates like Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Matthew Green, Charlie Angus, Blake Desjarlais or, ideally, Wab are ready to run.
In the short term, no.
This isn’t a party who are looking to form government, or whose leader is going to be a candidate for Prime Minister for a few elections to come. They’re in rebuild mode, where they’re trying to build back to a place where they’re a serious consideration again, they’re not going to go from 7 seats to forming government overnight.
It’s in the longer term, once they get to that stage (if they get back to that stage) that it becomes an issue, as should be obvious.
I know people like to eye Quebec as a potent area for the NDP, but the Orange Wave is firmly behind us now. Only one NDP MP remains in Quebec, and that’s more of an Elizabeth May situation with his riding, than anything about the party brand, AFAIK.
But put simply, I don’t think Quebec is where the NDP rebuild starts.