I’ve never voted Liberal but if he does this I’ll vote for him. The ruthless [figurative] killing of the extremes on both sides is the most important thing we could achieve in the next 5-10 years.
Sea-Contribution-725 on
I’ve voted Left and Right but always I’ve voted for the party closest to the Middle! I’m glad someone’s finally figured it out, why piss off the Majority of people with fringe issues… just make our country stronger economically and leave the stupidity at the door.
TotallynotJimmyKorr on
This is a lot of pro-Carney cheerleading trying to define a problem that can be summed up as “the O&G Industry, in concert with moneyed evangelical groups would tear Canada apart to ensure we take zero action on climate change in order to fill their wallets”.
The Alberta/Canada memorandum wasnt an agreement, it was a hostage negotiation. And the “culture war “ is just a weapon used to keep low-information canadians angry at something other than predatory capitalism.
Raptorpicklezz on
Idk about “the middle”, but it was pretty clear since early on in his tenure that he has really been trying to steal Red Tories like Chris d’Entremont from the CPC at the expense of the NDP voters who installed him the first time. It’s a calculated risk, but tbh if it strengthens the left at the direct price of stealing away an equivalent or higher amount of voters in the CPC who would NEVER have supported Trudeau but aren’t so brainwashed that they booed the pipeline deal at the UCP convention, then the Overton window may be repaired and our political landscape better off.
loginisverybroken on
I mean I agree with the concept. Most of us (Canadians) agree on the goals of government and with calm reasoned discussion we can get to results. Flipping back and forth between parties without lasting results encourages a lack of faith in institutions. Look at the states every 4 (sometimes two depending on congress) every decision and policy gets ripped out like weeds and nothing can be resolved for the betterment of society in the long term.
If we can get parliamentarians to do all the shit we generally agree on that’s a ton of things we can get done before turning to the things we vehemently disagree on.
separation_of_powers on
Yeah I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
Economic policy wise, sensible but still relying on foreign capital to drive infrastructure development & investment.
hardk7 on
The extremes have risen in the last decade thanks for media rewarding of confrontation and rage-bait because it has better engagement. The extremes have risen because of misinformation. Moderate, rational voices get less engagement and are suppressed. The result is polarized politics where each side views the other as the enemy, and their own side as the only solution. Every election and political fight becomes existential. This has been nothing but bad for our society. I’m not saying that decades of prevailing neopolitical ideology has been only positive for the world, but on net it has been. We’re now at a time however where the rewards of that system have grown to fall far too heavily on a small number at the top. Dissatisfaction and anger with the status quo is understandable but much of that has been driven by misinformation. We can steer this back towards a more fair system, but the answer is not through an extreme left vs right fight where the victor gets to throw their version of a revolution. Centrist, incremental, pragmatic policy is the answer. In today’s media environment it’s extremely difficult to make those arguments. Perhaps Carney and the adjusted direction of this government can demonstrate it to Canadians rather than try to explain it to them. Radical centrism. Radical rationality. It’s not very sexy but it sure is refreshing imo.
TreezusSaves on
This feels like a Liberal post making a victory lap, almost as bad as 90s political scientists declaring the End of History because the Soviets collapsed. It remains to be seen if the extremes are going away or if people like him will internalize facets of their ideology and making them „moderate“, or taking ideas that were originally moderate and making them extreme, because this situation is far more likely, and I bet this only goes in one direction. Climate change mitigation is now extreme, so it must be jettisoned, but legislating against transpeople and calling transwomen „biological males“ like the BBC just started doing is reasonable, so it must be brought into the fold.
It also remains to be seen if this has an effect on the far-*right* side of the spectrum. They have billionaire-backed media that is constantly flooding the zone from all directions, from print media to television media to social media, to make them as radicalized as possible. There’s a way to test for this: If Poilievre somehow survives leadership review, and if no-one else jumps ship from the CPC, then we know that this guy is just coping.
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I’ve never voted Liberal but if he does this I’ll vote for him. The ruthless [figurative] killing of the extremes on both sides is the most important thing we could achieve in the next 5-10 years.
I’ve voted Left and Right but always I’ve voted for the party closest to the Middle! I’m glad someone’s finally figured it out, why piss off the Majority of people with fringe issues… just make our country stronger economically and leave the stupidity at the door.
This is a lot of pro-Carney cheerleading trying to define a problem that can be summed up as “the O&G Industry, in concert with moneyed evangelical groups would tear Canada apart to ensure we take zero action on climate change in order to fill their wallets”.
The Alberta/Canada memorandum wasnt an agreement, it was a hostage negotiation. And the “culture war “ is just a weapon used to keep low-information canadians angry at something other than predatory capitalism.
Idk about “the middle”, but it was pretty clear since early on in his tenure that he has really been trying to steal Red Tories like Chris d’Entremont from the CPC at the expense of the NDP voters who installed him the first time. It’s a calculated risk, but tbh if it strengthens the left at the direct price of stealing away an equivalent or higher amount of voters in the CPC who would NEVER have supported Trudeau but aren’t so brainwashed that they booed the pipeline deal at the UCP convention, then the Overton window may be repaired and our political landscape better off.
I mean I agree with the concept. Most of us (Canadians) agree on the goals of government and with calm reasoned discussion we can get to results. Flipping back and forth between parties without lasting results encourages a lack of faith in institutions. Look at the states every 4 (sometimes two depending on congress) every decision and policy gets ripped out like weeds and nothing can be resolved for the betterment of society in the long term.
If we can get parliamentarians to do all the shit we generally agree on that’s a ton of things we can get done before turning to the things we vehemently disagree on.
Yeah I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
Economic policy wise, sensible but still relying on foreign capital to drive infrastructure development & investment.
The extremes have risen in the last decade thanks for media rewarding of confrontation and rage-bait because it has better engagement. The extremes have risen because of misinformation. Moderate, rational voices get less engagement and are suppressed. The result is polarized politics where each side views the other as the enemy, and their own side as the only solution. Every election and political fight becomes existential. This has been nothing but bad for our society. I’m not saying that decades of prevailing neopolitical ideology has been only positive for the world, but on net it has been. We’re now at a time however where the rewards of that system have grown to fall far too heavily on a small number at the top. Dissatisfaction and anger with the status quo is understandable but much of that has been driven by misinformation. We can steer this back towards a more fair system, but the answer is not through an extreme left vs right fight where the victor gets to throw their version of a revolution. Centrist, incremental, pragmatic policy is the answer. In today’s media environment it’s extremely difficult to make those arguments. Perhaps Carney and the adjusted direction of this government can demonstrate it to Canadians rather than try to explain it to them. Radical centrism. Radical rationality. It’s not very sexy but it sure is refreshing imo.
This feels like a Liberal post making a victory lap, almost as bad as 90s political scientists declaring the End of History because the Soviets collapsed. It remains to be seen if the extremes are going away or if people like him will internalize facets of their ideology and making them „moderate“, or taking ideas that were originally moderate and making them extreme, because this situation is far more likely, and I bet this only goes in one direction. Climate change mitigation is now extreme, so it must be jettisoned, but legislating against transpeople and calling transwomen „biological males“ like the BBC just started doing is reasonable, so it must be brought into the fold.
It also remains to be seen if this has an effect on the far-*right* side of the spectrum. They have billionaire-backed media that is constantly flooding the zone from all directions, from print media to television media to social media, to make them as radicalized as possible. There’s a way to test for this: If Poilievre somehow survives leadership review, and if no-one else jumps ship from the CPC, then we know that this guy is just coping.