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    1. FLTA on

      Excerpts from the article (no paywall)

      > Quebec says it will intensify its crackdown on public displays of religion in a sweeping new law that critics say pushes Canadian provinces into private spaces and disproportionately affects Muslims.

      > Bill 9, introduced by the governing Coalition Avenir Québec on Thursday, bans prayer in public institutions, including in colleges and universities. It also bans communal prayer on public roads and in parks, with the threat of fines of C$1,125 for groups in contravention of the prohibition. Short public events with prior approval are exempt.

      > …

      > The legislation runs afoul of both Quebec’s charter of human rights and freedoms and Canada’s charter of rights and freedoms but in 2021, Quebec’s superior court upheld the statute despite a finding that the law violates the freedom of expression and religion of religious minorities. Governments in Canada can pass laws that breaches certain fundamental rights if they use a legal mechanism known as a the “notwithstanding clause”.

    2. OneNormalBloke on

      Absolutely the correct decision. Why would anyone want to pray in public?

    5. Oram0 on

      All signs of religion should be banned from the public space. Go be religious at home.

    6. Honest_Picture_6960 on

      Dumb and horrible to restrict people from practicing faith and to express love to God

    8. Irondoor on

      does that include xmas celebrations ? christmas parade? sikh parade? looks like we should just stay home and play video games

    11. Jdmisra81 on

      So its now illegal to wish someone merry Christmas in public now , right? Otherwise this is 99.9% just thinly veiled islamophobia. I remember when I went to CEGEP, I had friends in Muslim and Christian student groups. They all had club offices where prayers somwtimes happened. Will this block the Christians too? If it applies to everyone equally that is one thing.

    12. Free-Baizuo08 on

      I went to the last Easter mass at Montreal’s Notre Dame cathedral back in April, and when we exited the building, there was a large group of Muslims doing a public prayer in front of it (they were ending a pro-Palestine protest). Very disrespectful imo to time it during the mass ending. It happened multiple times apparently since then and I’m not surprised about this outcome.

    15. GlowingHearts1867 on

      I don’t really care if I see people practising their religion. As long as they’re minding their own business and not trying to push it on me.

      Praying amongst yourselves in a park? Sure, go for it. Just don’t come knocking on doors trying to get others to, that’s where it becomes annoying.

    16. Jdmisra81 on

      A government minister also said Christmas celebrations are fine.. its just racism and xenophobia veiled as laicity

    17. Stereo_Jungle_Child on

      Nothing says „freedom“ or „personal liberty“ like banning people from doing things.

    18. MikeJeffriesPA on

      >The province will also limit the offering of kosher and halal meals in public institutions.

      Uhh, what the heck? Feels like this is getting buried. 

    19. HumansMustBeCrazy on

      Secularism gives atheism and religion equal rights in the eyes of the law. It does not prohibit religious behavior.

      This is not a „secularism“ law.

    20. __law on

      I assume all the people who were passionately defending Qur’an burning in public will come out to condemn this ban, since free speech is so important to them

    21. Swimming_Average_561 on

      This is going to backfire spectacularly because people of all religions can pray in public (including Catholics), and this is almost certainly going to get struck down by the courts.

    23. ARobertNotABob on

      How far will this be taken?
      I can see Karen’s getting het up because a footballer crosses himself.

    25. LatentVery on

      can you meditate in public? Do yoga or tai chi in the park? Can you thank god in a public speech or you allowed to say „bless you“ after a sneeze?

    26. TheVictoryHat on

      If it means that much to you pick a Muslim country to immigrate to in the first place. It’s not Canadas responsibility to put up with every custom you have.

    27. Superb-Respect-1313 on

      I guess if the goal is to stop individuals from blocking the street,sidewalk as well as any other public through fares this is a great idea. I am not for some one getting hurt well they are praying in the street. Government should be doing all they can to protect people as best they can!!!

    28. markskull on

      Satanist here, and this is 110% BULLSHIT.

      I’m not OK with laws like this getting passed because why? What is the actual point of this law?

      „No public prayers in parks, on roads, or public spaces. Schools can’t offer Halal or Kosher meals.“ WHY? Does this also ban prayers are City Council meetings? Does this mean that kids who aren’t allowed to eat pork now must eat it because they’re not going to make exceptions for them?! Are Christmas celebrations getting cancelled as well?!

      Secularist Society shouldn’t mean excluding religious groups, it should just mean no one religious ideal gets favoritism or the ability to enforce their beliefs on others.

      Should a religious institution be exempt from noise ordinances so they can play their bells or calls to prayers? No.

      Should a religion get to impose their dietary restrictions on others? No.

      Should a religion get to enforce their prayer, and prayer routines, onto everyone else? No.

      But a secular society should also allow them to have those practices within the law and allow them to have that faith, too. It should enforce laws that essentially ban them from being able to show their faith publicly because it may me someone else feels uncomfortable because of their religion, or lack thereof.

      It’s incredibly clear, though, that this is an Islamophobic law. They don’t want Muslim’s praying in public, getting Halal meals, and in some cases, praying outside other places of worship. Focus on the things that are actual problems, because right now, they’re targeting everyone in a really bullshit way.

      I want a secular society, but I don’t want one where people feel like they can’t be themselves. Laws like this do that.

    29. savesyertoenails on

      what if you’re watching the Habs it’s 3-3 with 1 minute on the clock and you say please god, please god, please god

      what if

    30. Pilosuh on

      For those who are not familiar with Quebec politics, this is a pure populist move, because the current government led by the CAQ party is deeply unpopular and expected to experience a historical defeat during the next year’s provincial election (like, according to polls, they are expected to go from 81 seats to maybe fewer than 10 seats). So, they try to regain popularity by resorting to populist measures like this one and they furthermore try to enjoy the crisis that the Liberal Party of Quebec (the official opposition) is experiencing due to a corruption scandal.

    31. Coala_ on

      How is prayer defined? If I hope really really hard that the bus is on time, is that a prayer?

    32. Downfall722 on

      Thank God for the 1st Amendment where suppressing of public displays of religion, whether it be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, or many other religious practices are protected by the United States Constitution.

      That’s what’s so great about secularism. Don’t like seeing prayer in public? Just walk away. Don’t like seeing protests in public? Hey, walk away too.

    33. justplainndaveCGN on

      I get the not praying in the streets, but banning public prayer is crazy to me.

    34. MediumFinancial8221 on

      I think that’s fine , religion should be a private matter

      Just make sure its applied to all religions – no signs of christian, jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist exceptions

      Ban any signs/symbols of religious holidays from public buildings as well including christmas or hanukah

      Ban any official holidays related to any religious event like christmas or hanukah

      If you’re gonna do secularism and you’re really not just trying to single any group out, go all the way and be even and fair

      People can practice their religion in their homes or appointed places of worship

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