Gleichgeschlechtliche Ehe muss EU-weit anerkannt werden, Gerichtsurteil – DW

This is great news and well legally founded. Exercising your freedom of movement shouldn’t dissolve your family. Recognising families equally across the Union makes sense and fundamental to a coherent integrated Union. Though it will likely have further consequences.

Is the right to marry at 18 the same across all of the EU or are there differences based on age?

This is bad idea. If we follow this up, we could demand that the lack of recognition and legalization of marriage apply across the EU, simply because it doesn’t exist in a particular country.

Of course, this will only fuel social protests in countries where solutions like same-sex marriage don’t exist, and the result won’t be „enlightenment“ at all, but something much worse.

We could leave sensitive issues to the countries and make it one way in one country, other way in another, etc., while simultaneously addressing more mundane issues, which seem to be the focus of everyone in Europe, like technological superiority, migration problems, etc. Instead, we’re generating proxy conflicts.

It also doesn’t matter, as some might think, what I support, and I support same-sex marriage. However, I know that this view cannot be imposed, and I expect the results to be counterproductive.

good 😀

I can’t wait for the surprised noises when countries simply refuse to implement this. Remember migrant quotas?

Since this issue resurfaces constantly, i’ll have to repeat again:

**Court in Poland ruled correctly**, as that’s what Constitution says (which was already in force during EU accession and amending it wasn’t a condition of accession) and that’s „The Top Law“ in Poland:

https://www.sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/polski/kon1.htm

> Art. 8.
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> **Konstytucja jest najwyższym prawem Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.**
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> Przepisy Konstytucji stosuje się bezpośrednio, chyba że Konstytucja stanowi inaczej.

> Art. 18.
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> **Małżeństwo jako związek kobiety i mężczyzny**, rodzina, macierzyństwo i rodzicielstwo znajdują się pod ochroną i opieką Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej.

but one could say:

> Art. 9.
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> Rzeczpospolita Polska przestrzega wiążącego ją prawa międzynarodowego.

and

> Art. 90
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> Rzeczpospolita Polska może na podstawie umowy międzynarodowej przekazać organizacji międzynarodowej lub organowi międzynarodowemu kompetencje organów władzy państwowej w niektórych sprawach.

sure, but:

> Art. 91.
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> Ratyfikowana umowa międzynarodowa, po jej ogłoszeniu w Dzienniku Ustaw Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej, stanowi część krajowego porządku prawnego i jest bezpośrednio stosowana, chyba że jej stosowanie jest uzależnione od wydania ustawy.
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> Umowa międzynarodowa ratyfikowana za uprzednią zgodą wyrażoną w ustawie **ma pierwszeństwo przed ustawą**, jeżeli ustawy tej nie da się pogodzić z umową.
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> Jeżeli wynika to z ratyfikowanej przez Rzeczpospolitą Polską umowy konstytuującej organizację międzynarodową, prawo przez nią stanowione jest stosowane bezpośrednio, mając pierwszeństwo **w przypadku kolizji z ustawami**.

EU Law is considered „Prime International Law“ – above normal Ustawa and perhaps other International Treaties, but still – below Constitution in ranking order.

Primacy of Constitution was firmly established since it’s promulgation in 1997 and wasn’t ever really questioned in any serious capacity. In previous case of such obvious collision, i.e extradition warrant – Constitution has been amended, reinforcing the principle: Constitution takes priority.

Are there solutions to these? Yes, i can see two:

1. Changing marriage mention in Constitution – won’t happen, there won’t be a parliamentary majority. There’s no point in even raising the question.

2. Enacting „Civil Union“ law that’s de facto a Marriage in all but name – tough sell, as many leftist will still consider it too mild, and rightist will see it as diluting principle of „sacred marriage“ – but kinda possible.

Most likely though: nothing will happen for foreseeable future.

in your face Hungary

Great news. Next up adoption. No one can tell me that a gay couple going out of their way to have a child would be worse parents than the average kid in the system would receive.

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Good. Now they should withhold EU funds from any countries that delay recognizing marriage equality.

Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one. It should go without saying that idgaf about your religious views or definition of marriage. Simple as that.

Way to keep your eyes on the ball, eurotards. We’re in an existential war and you focus on this.

why even vote if random judges from god knows where decide what your country laws ought to be?

Since there are benefits involved they should. Its not just a religion thing anymore.