Alexander C. Kaufman: “For years, the idea of geoengineering—artificially lowering global temperatures through technological means—has been met with skepticism. Only a handful of dedicated and much-criticized scientists have argued for researching it at all, and when others weighed in, it was generally to trash the idea. This September, in a study published in the journal *Frontiers in Science*, more than 40 experts in climate change, polar geosciences, and ocean patterns warned that geoengineering was extremely unlikely to work and likely to have dangerous consequences. Spraying reflective aerosols into the atmosphere to deflect the sun’s heat, could, for instance, ‘cause stratospheric heating, which may alter atmospheric circulation patterns, leading to wintertime warming over northern Eurasia,’ they wrote …
“As the actual predictions for Earth’s future have become more dire, scientists are starting to agree. More than 120 of them signed on to a response to the Frontiers paper that argued that more research into geoengineering was, in fact, ‘urgently needed.’
“‘Within the scientific community, I don’t think there’s any question that there’s growing support for the research, just driven by the reality that climate change is progressing,’ Philip Duffy, the former top science adviser in the Biden administration, told me. ‘There’s a very strong realization now that some amount of overshoot is inevitable, and that mitigation alone can’t fix this.’ Hopes of cutting emissions quickly enough to limit the dangers of climate change are fading: This year’s United Nations climate summit concluded over the weekend with a final statement that avoided any mention of fossil fuels, in what was widely hailed as a victory for oil and gas producers. If the world cannot drastically, quickly overhaul global energy and agricultural systems before the planet reaches irreversible tipping points, then what?
“In theory, geoengineering could mean brightening marine clouds, or encouraging heat to bounce back into space by mirroring light off polar ice. The term has also been used to describe technology that removes carbon from the atmosphere, which is now widely accepted as a necessary tool to limit global warming. The most vexxing technology is what’s broadly referred to as solar-radiation management—those reflective aerosols that could prevent the sun’s heat from reaching the Earth.
“After years of being treated as fringe notions, all of these ideas are gaining traction.”
Well, if it results in a baby shooting a greedy old man, I’ll allow it. I guess.
drumrhyno on
As an asthmatic and in general, someone who enjoys breathing clean air, I would rather NOT be breathing in these particulates personally. Also, how will it affect plant growth? Ocean water? weather cycles? Can we perhaps do just a little bit of research before we go spraying potentially harmful shit into our atmosphere and blocking out our only renewable source of heat, light and energy?
BitingArtist on
This was a good way to get people to stop talking about Epstein files. It’s like the pizza vegetable thing. Just a distraction.
DanimalPlays on
Did everyone forget the Matrix? What’s the company that wants to do this called, fucking Skynet?
Guitarman0512 on
Because this will definitely end well…
Geoengineering is a stupid idea. We can’t be trusted as a species to do so in a safe way.
boersc on
Carbon capture is a fad, as is this. Its main purpose: get government money.
I am highly sceptical of these ideas.
buffydavaginaslayer on
ill get right on that. just lemme finish throwin these here rocks at them there airplanes.
Howy_the_Howizer on
I enjoy all the instances of warning about this from The Matrix to Futurama. I really love when the sun shield gets a tiny micro meteorite in it and slowly turns its lens toward Earth as a death ray.
I’d prefer the 1 giant 🧊 from space please.
vafrow on
There’s a fiction book called Ministry For the Future that has this as a key part of its plot. I wouldn’t otherwise cite fiction for discussing science topics, but it has a few elements that stick with me that makes this idea hard to dismiss out of hand.
In the book, a massive wet bulb event happens wiping out a huge swath of people. That event triggers the impacted country to take drastic actions to reduce global temperature, acknowledging that the results may have unpredictable results. It’s not popular, but its also hard to govern. Unless other countries are willing to wage war on geoengineering practices, anyone with the resources can do it.
And that’s what sticks with me. As a global population, we seem susceptible to drastic, poorly thought out actions. Climate change is a huge complex problem. True solutions require sacrifice and patience. Those aren’t things that voting populations are known for. People will look for relatively easy answers.
Once impacts of climate change become even further realized, the solutions proposed will only get more dangerous.
Early_Material_9317 on
It seems to me that nobody can really say one way or the other yet. Should we not research it? Perhaps it is a terrible idea. Perhaps it might actually work though?
I dont think anyone is suggesting we just start full throttle pumping the atmosphere with more garbage, but surely there is a way to start with smaller scale testing, and researching to find the right material that has the desired effects with the least negative impacts.
Consider that there have been many volcanic eruptions in history that have been big enough to make detectable changes to the climate, and it hasn’t destroyed the world yet. Sending a few test planes up is not going to doom us all to a Snowpiercer scenario.
If this is a possible lifeline, rather than speculating, lets just do the science please.
theClumsy1 on
Lets not talk about it.
Rather come up with practical solutions than a „boil the ocean“ solution.
As a thought experiment conducted by xkcd? Sure go for it.
wolfenx109 on
I live in Arizona. We could use a little less sunlight here
fkid123 on
Yay, love it when someone posts an article that requires subscribing to read.
easternseaboardgolf on
No one I hope. This would be hubris of the highest order and unlikely to actually work as expected.
Philip964 on
Global cooling causes mass extinctions. Global warming causes an increase in biology on the planet.
AncientSith on
Are we going the Matrix route of no sun and a robot war? I’d rather not.
totalyrespecatbleguy on
We tried this in the matrix (it was called operation Darkstorm) it didn’t go well for us
12kdaysinthefire on
Bill Gates wet dream coming closer to being a reality
TheDudeAbidesFarOut on
Make sure the train is built first. And that auto greaser has a few spares….
Asinto11 on
Admit the climate crisis is out of control? Naw.
Turn down the sun. Yaw!
ConundrumMachine on
This is propaganda for the „blocking out the sun industry“
Super_Mario_Luigi on
I, for one, welcome far more particulates and chemicals in my breathing air and food, as opposed to having a 1% higher temperature. Saving the planet. Science, f yea!
Koniss on
We need robots 1st so the can all fart in the same direction, change earth orbit, and leave all them nasty green house gaserà behind
lithiun on
Yeah…. Anything introducing *more chemicals* or particulates into the atmosphere is a nonstarter for me.
Blocking sunlight or reflecting it is inevitable imo but not through this method. I think the most practical is artificial „ice“ reflecting light back from the poles but I feel like we’ll end up having to do more by launching solar shades into orbit or to L1. Something like that.
Sunlight is only a fraction of the problem though. Over abundance of CO2 is literally killing the biosphere in a number of ways. That needs to be solved or else blocking the sun is pointless. I am honestly surprised we haven’t found a way to convert CO2 into carbon materials and pure oxygen yet. Idk much about chemistry but I imagine something about the bonds between Oxygen and other elements makes that difficult.
esadatari on
We now approach the Second Renaissance.
Prepare for the insanity of the million machine march.
Argonaute_ on
What if we block out the sun by using the ashes of the 1% causing most of the pollution? History book say it’s much effective!
Bunsen_Burn on
In „Termination Shock“ Neil Stephenson tells the story of a billionaire starting a geoengineering program to dope the upper stratosphere with sulfur oxides and provide immediate cooling. It’s set in a heat ravaged near future with a softly collapsing United States as the background, but ranges all over the world. Said billionaire claims to have altruism at his heart, but hedges his costs by investing in huge amounts of ocean front property that is about to be literally underwater. When he saves it from going under he will rake in billions of profit.
The depiction of one rich man’s potential impact and the global impact/response is quite intriguing.
am_reddit on
Blocking out the sun after creating AI seems like it’s just tempting fate at this point.
DePIN_Degenerate on
I for one, am not sure I am ready to think about that. I am glad others are though!
xendazzle on
Any length to avoid reducing emissions. Would be so much cheaper and easier to just try to produce less carbon
J1m1983 on
Blocking out the sun and AI. We’re really speed running the Matrix huh
thespaceageisnow on
I’m glad I won’t live long enough to see humans completely ruin the natural world.
username____here on
I’d rather they get rid of the clouds, I live in an area that has only about 50% sunny days.
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Alexander C. Kaufman: “For years, the idea of geoengineering—artificially lowering global temperatures through technological means—has been met with skepticism. Only a handful of dedicated and much-criticized scientists have argued for researching it at all, and when others weighed in, it was generally to trash the idea. This September, in a study published in the journal *Frontiers in Science*, more than 40 experts in climate change, polar geosciences, and ocean patterns warned that geoengineering was extremely unlikely to work and likely to have dangerous consequences. Spraying reflective aerosols into the atmosphere to deflect the sun’s heat, could, for instance, ‘cause stratospheric heating, which may alter atmospheric circulation patterns, leading to wintertime warming over northern Eurasia,’ they wrote …
“As the actual predictions for Earth’s future have become more dire, scientists are starting to agree. More than 120 of them signed on to a response to the Frontiers paper that argued that more research into geoengineering was, in fact, ‘urgently needed.’
“‘Within the scientific community, I don’t think there’s any question that there’s growing support for the research, just driven by the reality that climate change is progressing,’ Philip Duffy, the former top science adviser in the Biden administration, told me. ‘There’s a very strong realization now that some amount of overshoot is inevitable, and that mitigation alone can’t fix this.’ Hopes of cutting emissions quickly enough to limit the dangers of climate change are fading: This year’s United Nations climate summit concluded over the weekend with a final statement that avoided any mention of fossil fuels, in what was widely hailed as a victory for oil and gas producers. If the world cannot drastically, quickly overhaul global energy and agricultural systems before the planet reaches irreversible tipping points, then what?
“In theory, geoengineering could mean brightening marine clouds, or encouraging heat to bounce back into space by mirroring light off polar ice. The term has also been used to describe technology that removes carbon from the atmosphere, which is now widely accepted as a necessary tool to limit global warming. The most vexxing technology is what’s broadly referred to as solar-radiation management—those reflective aerosols that could prevent the sun’s heat from reaching the Earth.
“After years of being treated as fringe notions, all of these ideas are gaining traction.”
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Wait, didn’t The Simpsons already do this?
Well, if it results in a baby shooting a greedy old man, I’ll allow it. I guess.
As an asthmatic and in general, someone who enjoys breathing clean air, I would rather NOT be breathing in these particulates personally. Also, how will it affect plant growth? Ocean water? weather cycles? Can we perhaps do just a little bit of research before we go spraying potentially harmful shit into our atmosphere and blocking out our only renewable source of heat, light and energy?
This was a good way to get people to stop talking about Epstein files. It’s like the pizza vegetable thing. Just a distraction.
Did everyone forget the Matrix? What’s the company that wants to do this called, fucking Skynet?
Because this will definitely end well…
Geoengineering is a stupid idea. We can’t be trusted as a species to do so in a safe way.
Carbon capture is a fad, as is this. Its main purpose: get government money.
I am highly sceptical of these ideas.
ill get right on that. just lemme finish throwin these here rocks at them there airplanes.
I enjoy all the instances of warning about this from The Matrix to Futurama. I really love when the sun shield gets a tiny micro meteorite in it and slowly turns its lens toward Earth as a death ray.
I’d prefer the 1 giant 🧊 from space please.
There’s a fiction book called Ministry For the Future that has this as a key part of its plot. I wouldn’t otherwise cite fiction for discussing science topics, but it has a few elements that stick with me that makes this idea hard to dismiss out of hand.
In the book, a massive wet bulb event happens wiping out a huge swath of people. That event triggers the impacted country to take drastic actions to reduce global temperature, acknowledging that the results may have unpredictable results. It’s not popular, but its also hard to govern. Unless other countries are willing to wage war on geoengineering practices, anyone with the resources can do it.
And that’s what sticks with me. As a global population, we seem susceptible to drastic, poorly thought out actions. Climate change is a huge complex problem. True solutions require sacrifice and patience. Those aren’t things that voting populations are known for. People will look for relatively easy answers.
Once impacts of climate change become even further realized, the solutions proposed will only get more dangerous.
It seems to me that nobody can really say one way or the other yet. Should we not research it? Perhaps it is a terrible idea. Perhaps it might actually work though?
I dont think anyone is suggesting we just start full throttle pumping the atmosphere with more garbage, but surely there is a way to start with smaller scale testing, and researching to find the right material that has the desired effects with the least negative impacts.
Consider that there have been many volcanic eruptions in history that have been big enough to make detectable changes to the climate, and it hasn’t destroyed the world yet. Sending a few test planes up is not going to doom us all to a Snowpiercer scenario.
If this is a possible lifeline, rather than speculating, lets just do the science please.
Lets not talk about it.
Rather come up with practical solutions than a „boil the ocean“ solution.
As a thought experiment conducted by xkcd? Sure go for it.
I live in Arizona. We could use a little less sunlight here
Yay, love it when someone posts an article that requires subscribing to read.
No one I hope. This would be hubris of the highest order and unlikely to actually work as expected.
Global cooling causes mass extinctions. Global warming causes an increase in biology on the planet.
Are we going the Matrix route of no sun and a robot war? I’d rather not.
We tried this in the matrix (it was called operation Darkstorm) it didn’t go well for us
Bill Gates wet dream coming closer to being a reality
Make sure the train is built first. And that auto greaser has a few spares….
Admit the climate crisis is out of control? Naw.
Turn down the sun. Yaw!
This is propaganda for the „blocking out the sun industry“
I, for one, welcome far more particulates and chemicals in my breathing air and food, as opposed to having a 1% higher temperature. Saving the planet. Science, f yea!
We need robots 1st so the can all fart in the same direction, change earth orbit, and leave all them nasty green house gaserà behind
Yeah…. Anything introducing *more chemicals* or particulates into the atmosphere is a nonstarter for me.
Blocking sunlight or reflecting it is inevitable imo but not through this method. I think the most practical is artificial „ice“ reflecting light back from the poles but I feel like we’ll end up having to do more by launching solar shades into orbit or to L1. Something like that.
Sunlight is only a fraction of the problem though. Over abundance of CO2 is literally killing the biosphere in a number of ways. That needs to be solved or else blocking the sun is pointless. I am honestly surprised we haven’t found a way to convert CO2 into carbon materials and pure oxygen yet. Idk much about chemistry but I imagine something about the bonds between Oxygen and other elements makes that difficult.
We now approach the Second Renaissance.
Prepare for the insanity of the million machine march.
What if we block out the sun by using the ashes of the 1% causing most of the pollution? History book say it’s much effective!
In „Termination Shock“ Neil Stephenson tells the story of a billionaire starting a geoengineering program to dope the upper stratosphere with sulfur oxides and provide immediate cooling. It’s set in a heat ravaged near future with a softly collapsing United States as the background, but ranges all over the world. Said billionaire claims to have altruism at his heart, but hedges his costs by investing in huge amounts of ocean front property that is about to be literally underwater. When he saves it from going under he will rake in billions of profit.
The depiction of one rich man’s potential impact and the global impact/response is quite intriguing.
Blocking out the sun after creating AI seems like it’s just tempting fate at this point.
I for one, am not sure I am ready to think about that. I am glad others are though!
Any length to avoid reducing emissions. Would be so much cheaper and easier to just try to produce less carbon
Blocking out the sun and AI. We’re really speed running the Matrix huh
I’m glad I won’t live long enough to see humans completely ruin the natural world.
I’d rather they get rid of the clouds, I live in an area that has only about 50% sunny days.