Interesting, since even if we have had all those years of SDP prime ministers, we still don’t have _any_ minimum wage in legislation.
I don’t want to start estimating the correct level of it, but for once this is something I fully agree with the Left Alliance – we should have a clear minimum wage defined, that would be the first result when you google it.
This is needed for the people who have gotten their first job, are doing only part time work on and off, or are migrant workers.
Successful_Debt_7036 on
Not happening, the unions would never allow it.
Senevri on
Hm. Unions should handle that but it would be useful to rein in companies like Wolt, etc other non-unionized work.
This could be a mistake, if we end up with a situation where conpanies keep paying minimum wage and that never gets updated.
ApprehensivePilot3 on
Like it should be.
Professional-Key5552 on
That would be nice. 15€ per hour, a dream.
NorskHumor on
They should focus on empowering the unions instead…
Shenstar2o on
Every union has different minimum, so it really needs to be the 15€/h, but other hand some places you never get to 15€/h even after working for decades.
Hell mine is only going to be 15,25€/h after all experience increments.
TheOneWhoKnowsNoone on
So are we about to destroy Finnish market even further? Nice
theta0123 on
If anybody wants comparision, we belgians have a minimum wage of just under 13 euro/h but it is not stated in law but by work sector.
Such_Housing_6850 on
I was confused why there are suddenly a few more political posts here than usual. Then i remembered elections are soon. I guess the time for empty promises and gathering voters has come
makinenxd on
Anyone who thinks that a general 15€/h minimum wage is good should look how much the minimum wage currently is on the bottom tier paying jobs. Because the more you pay your workers the more you have to bill the customer. How does lets say 25% increase in cleaning costs sound? 40% increase in cost for factory labour, stuff like packing food. It all will be paid by you in the end.
Moose_M on
I would rather have the people getting paid, and as an extension the unions that represent them, determining the salary they receive.
There’s no reason to involve parties that don’t need to be, changing it in the future would be nearly impossible as it would rely on the government to make the change, and it would set a precedent to allow for non-union workers to undercut union labor if the national minimum wage is below the union minimum wage.
Peaceful union strikes on companies have been shown to work, but when has a peaceful protest against the government done anything
Correct-Fly-1126 on
I’ve lived and worked in a country with a minimum wage, and here in Finland… minimum wage is a trap – it will undoubtedly be used to push wages down and reduce the role of and membership in unions and minimum wage is never enough to survive. Slippery slope, I would say a better route would be to unionize non union work like wolt drivers. I cannot stress enough the role unions play in restraining capitalism from simply gutting worker rights in the name of the bottom line.
SargeantPile on
As a foreign worker here the current system is a bit confusing for me. I work in kitchens and your minimum wage seems to be determined by training and experience (absolutely fair enough) but when I got my first kitchen job my employer told me that minimum wage for someone with no qualifications and no experience is €9.50 an hour.
I don’t care what the logic is, its impossible to live on €9.50 an hour and while that employer volentarily paid me more than minimum and I got a bump after 6 months work I still don’t know what my entitlements are. My employer could tell me anything and the system is so confusing I wouldn’t know enough to correct him. Now my employer seems decent and does everything „by the book“ (his words), so I don’t believe he’s taking advantage of me, it seems like the system is ripe for exploitation of immigrants coming to finland who are in a worse situation than me and have less of a support network than I do.
I’m not sure a state mandated minimum wage would fix these issues and 15 euro does seem high just being able to google „what is minimum wage in Finland“ and getting a definite answer would allow foreign workers to be much better informed.
vjollila96 on
This is just a wishful thinking
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Interesting, since even if we have had all those years of SDP prime ministers, we still don’t have _any_ minimum wage in legislation.
I don’t want to start estimating the correct level of it, but for once this is something I fully agree with the Left Alliance – we should have a clear minimum wage defined, that would be the first result when you google it.
This is needed for the people who have gotten their first job, are doing only part time work on and off, or are migrant workers.
Not happening, the unions would never allow it.
Hm. Unions should handle that but it would be useful to rein in companies like Wolt, etc other non-unionized work.
This could be a mistake, if we end up with a situation where conpanies keep paying minimum wage and that never gets updated.
Like it should be.
That would be nice. 15€ per hour, a dream.
They should focus on empowering the unions instead…
Every union has different minimum, so it really needs to be the 15€/h, but other hand some places you never get to 15€/h even after working for decades.
Hell mine is only going to be 15,25€/h after all experience increments.
So are we about to destroy Finnish market even further? Nice
If anybody wants comparision, we belgians have a minimum wage of just under 13 euro/h but it is not stated in law but by work sector.
I was confused why there are suddenly a few more political posts here than usual. Then i remembered elections are soon. I guess the time for empty promises and gathering voters has come
Anyone who thinks that a general 15€/h minimum wage is good should look how much the minimum wage currently is on the bottom tier paying jobs. Because the more you pay your workers the more you have to bill the customer. How does lets say 25% increase in cleaning costs sound? 40% increase in cost for factory labour, stuff like packing food. It all will be paid by you in the end.
I would rather have the people getting paid, and as an extension the unions that represent them, determining the salary they receive.
There’s no reason to involve parties that don’t need to be, changing it in the future would be nearly impossible as it would rely on the government to make the change, and it would set a precedent to allow for non-union workers to undercut union labor if the national minimum wage is below the union minimum wage.
Peaceful union strikes on companies have been shown to work, but when has a peaceful protest against the government done anything
I’ve lived and worked in a country with a minimum wage, and here in Finland… minimum wage is a trap – it will undoubtedly be used to push wages down and reduce the role of and membership in unions and minimum wage is never enough to survive. Slippery slope, I would say a better route would be to unionize non union work like wolt drivers. I cannot stress enough the role unions play in restraining capitalism from simply gutting worker rights in the name of the bottom line.
As a foreign worker here the current system is a bit confusing for me. I work in kitchens and your minimum wage seems to be determined by training and experience (absolutely fair enough) but when I got my first kitchen job my employer told me that minimum wage for someone with no qualifications and no experience is €9.50 an hour.
I don’t care what the logic is, its impossible to live on €9.50 an hour and while that employer volentarily paid me more than minimum and I got a bump after 6 months work I still don’t know what my entitlements are. My employer could tell me anything and the system is so confusing I wouldn’t know enough to correct him. Now my employer seems decent and does everything „by the book“ (his words), so I don’t believe he’s taking advantage of me, it seems like the system is ripe for exploitation of immigrants coming to finland who are in a worse situation than me and have less of a support network than I do.
I’m not sure a state mandated minimum wage would fix these issues and 15 euro does seem high just being able to google „what is minimum wage in Finland“ and getting a definite answer would allow foreign workers to be much better informed.
This is just a wishful thinking