Ah yes. This will go well. No way a child will simply ask their parents to sign in, use a VPN or fake profile.
Chicano_Ducky on
honestly good, twitch needed consequences
twitch gets made fun of for being the OF girl site, but its full of streamers just there to push a narrative or scams to people who are usually unemployed or very young since you need a lot of free time to watch streams that can go up to 8 hours. Some men even use an anime girl avatar and one got caught using a voice changer to pretend to be a far right antisemtic IRL woman to get young men to be parasocial to their half naked anime girl avatars.
Its creepy to have GROWN MEN in their 30s pretend to be a holocaust denying IRL woman towards young men who can be younger than 18. IRL streamers just sit there and promote some heinous „opinions“ that involve genocide or straight up fake news like Asmongold does regularly. Hasan, Destiny, the list of grifters is endless.
The OF girls and parasocial gooners are at least honest, but the political communities are full blown cults with organized brigades to create disinformation and twitch does nothing about it when streamers break the rules. They will be back in 3 days always.
Twitch isnt going to moderate their own site, they were laughing a woman got assaulted at their own con, didnt even permaban the guy for assaulting her, and their CEO is friends with these streamers.
Big tech admit they dont moderate because moderation means less money, even if it means children get hurt like Roblox admitted to doing. Big Tech executives are sick in the head to see nothing wrong with profiting off child exploitation.
Twitch executives are sick in the head for wanting to let a sexual predator walk away from an IRL crime because he spent a lot of money.
At some point these tech companies need to face consequences for their failure to fulfill their legal duty and skirting mandatory reporting laws for over a decade now.
PvtJet07 on
Requiring age verification to even watch a stream would destroy twitch. Incredibly difficult to get new viewers if to even test out the site you have to tell the government you are making an account there.
Let alone the massive data collection that will come from linking real people to their viewing habits
And the sheer stupidity of requiring an age check to watch some minecraft streamer who explicitly curates kid friendly content without profanity or adult topics regardless
I don’t know how they mechanically expect to pull this off. The infrastructure simply isnt there. If the government really wants an age verification system they would need to build one themselves that these sites can access (rather than all building one themselves), and they need to design it where the user’s real identity isnt saved post verification. Doubt that will ever happen
Puzzled_Scallion5392 on
Twitch helped me to learn English when I was 14 I was watching lirik as was understanding nothing but still enjoyed my time being
mrafinch on
I used to use twitch as background noise and would read the chat sometimes, it is absolutely unhinged and quite frankly, children should be kept away **from the chat** for a bit.
Stopping kids from watching the streams themselves is silly considering twitch can be quite chill. Who remembers the Bob Ross marathon a decade ago, an extreme example, yes, but still.
Evinceo on
Back in my day we wasted our time playing video games, not watching other people play.
In all seriousness, kids and Online Gaming Culture shouldn’t mix.
SirOakin on
Ya know what, let Australia cut off the internet.
By the time those kids are old enough the current system will be so vastly hated that it will be removed
Foamie on
W’s in the chat for Australia
JDGumby on
„OMG! People can communicate with each other there! Can’t let teens be doing that. They might be social with each other!“
SemicolonMIA on
I’m an idiot, I saw „16s“ and thought, what’s the point in a 16 second ban and why is it a big deal?
GhostRiders on
I say this as a parent who has never banned any of my kids from using social media. Instead I gave them guidance and knowledge on how to best protect themselves, spot potential danger and to know they will never be punished for coming to me to show me something / ask questions etc.
Now I have done the best job I can yet still even with parental safe guards, advice and knowledge I know I am powerless to fight against people using various loopholes, exploiting Google / Meta / twitch etc measures who barely enforce them as weak as they are, are subjected to all kinds of vile videos / posts / comments etc..
Here is a fact, in the 2023 in the US alone there were just under 36 million reported of cases of online CSAM material, nearly 31 million of these stemmed from Meta platforms (Facebook / Whatsapp / Messenger / Instagram)
Facebook as a company could do so much more if they wanted to but it is far far cheaper and easier to lobby the US Congress so it becomes somebodies problem.
The likes of Facebook / Google / Twitch etc have had years to put in measures not only to dramatical limit CSAM and other content being uploaded, but also put in systems in order to help Law Enforcement agencies around the world to find those who upload them.
As a quick example they could work with the likes of The Internet Watch Foundation, Thorn, Ofcom etc who have massive databases of CSAM material.
This would allow them to both help expand those databases and instantly removal and report any IP’s that upload any CSAM material that is contained within those databases.
Instead not only do they do the absolute minimum, but often they are very unhelpful with requests from law enforcement agencies when it comes to CSAM material requests.
Instead they have done everything they can to push the responsibility onto others and now we have reached the point where countries are able to convince people that best course of action is to implement draconian measures.
It is the greed of these multi billion dollar companies that have given governments the power to convince people that is the best way forward.
So yeah be angry at your Governments but ultimately the fault lies with those companies that you use on a daily basis.
Scottify on
Hasan Piker viewership about to crash
chipmunk_supervisor on
Of all the attempts to wrangle the ’net Australia’s go is almost laughably bad. Sure, on a very basic level they recognize that there’s problems with this nebulous thing called „the internet“, which I do see and do agree with: there’s incredibly exploitative platforms who chase profits at the expense of their users and the countries their users live in. For a penny they will platform the worst fucking people that lie constantly and cause civil unrest for as long as they can keep their hate grift going. These platforms are abusing democracy day and night and just getting away with it.
And so much like the other countries the aussie government want a magic bullet type solution to stop any and all of „the internet“ things happening to the youth with the twist of it being a full stop? Which is not a solution by any means just a delay; it doesn’t solve any of the exploitative things the internet does like doomscrolling, click/rage bait, data harvest and more. Things that don’t even require a social media platform to happen and adults aren’t one bit immune to.
All they’re going to do is destroy modern socialization for a generation of kids and leave so many of them stunted. You’re not making kids touch grass anymore than they currently do; worse still internet slang evolves so fast that the kids that don’t get online are going to struggle to relate with the ones that do and vice versa. I think that in of itself is going to be a fascinating study opportunity; an event of in and out groups with at such a scale to be so potentially damaging to human socialization on a national level that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to conduct purely for the science of it.
Those late teens that never got around the blocks are going to finally emerge online like a defecting North Korean with no defenses against the multi-billion dollar industries that exist purely on abusing and exploiting users.
Gloomy_Edge6085 on
This panic to keep kids safe is getting out of control, Whats next, id to watch TV?
It should be up to their damn parents, not the state to keep them safe. If they don’t then charge them with neglect.
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Ah yes. This will go well. No way a child will simply ask their parents to sign in, use a VPN or fake profile.
honestly good, twitch needed consequences
twitch gets made fun of for being the OF girl site, but its full of streamers just there to push a narrative or scams to people who are usually unemployed or very young since you need a lot of free time to watch streams that can go up to 8 hours. Some men even use an anime girl avatar and one got caught using a voice changer to pretend to be a far right antisemtic IRL woman to get young men to be parasocial to their half naked anime girl avatars.
Its creepy to have GROWN MEN in their 30s pretend to be a holocaust denying IRL woman towards young men who can be younger than 18. IRL streamers just sit there and promote some heinous „opinions“ that involve genocide or straight up fake news like Asmongold does regularly. Hasan, Destiny, the list of grifters is endless.
The OF girls and parasocial gooners are at least honest, but the political communities are full blown cults with organized brigades to create disinformation and twitch does nothing about it when streamers break the rules. They will be back in 3 days always.
Twitch isnt going to moderate their own site, they were laughing a woman got assaulted at their own con, didnt even permaban the guy for assaulting her, and their CEO is friends with these streamers.
Big tech admit they dont moderate because moderation means less money, even if it means children get hurt like Roblox admitted to doing. Big Tech executives are sick in the head to see nothing wrong with profiting off child exploitation.
Twitch executives are sick in the head for wanting to let a sexual predator walk away from an IRL crime because he spent a lot of money.
At some point these tech companies need to face consequences for their failure to fulfill their legal duty and skirting mandatory reporting laws for over a decade now.
Requiring age verification to even watch a stream would destroy twitch. Incredibly difficult to get new viewers if to even test out the site you have to tell the government you are making an account there.
Let alone the massive data collection that will come from linking real people to their viewing habits
And the sheer stupidity of requiring an age check to watch some minecraft streamer who explicitly curates kid friendly content without profanity or adult topics regardless
I don’t know how they mechanically expect to pull this off. The infrastructure simply isnt there. If the government really wants an age verification system they would need to build one themselves that these sites can access (rather than all building one themselves), and they need to design it where the user’s real identity isnt saved post verification. Doubt that will ever happen
Twitch helped me to learn English when I was 14 I was watching lirik as was understanding nothing but still enjoyed my time being
I used to use twitch as background noise and would read the chat sometimes, it is absolutely unhinged and quite frankly, children should be kept away **from the chat** for a bit.
Stopping kids from watching the streams themselves is silly considering twitch can be quite chill. Who remembers the Bob Ross marathon a decade ago, an extreme example, yes, but still.
Back in my day we wasted our time playing video games, not watching other people play.
In all seriousness, kids and Online Gaming Culture shouldn’t mix.
Ya know what, let Australia cut off the internet.
By the time those kids are old enough the current system will be so vastly hated that it will be removed
W’s in the chat for Australia
„OMG! People can communicate with each other there! Can’t let teens be doing that. They might be social with each other!“
I’m an idiot, I saw „16s“ and thought, what’s the point in a 16 second ban and why is it a big deal?
I say this as a parent who has never banned any of my kids from using social media. Instead I gave them guidance and knowledge on how to best protect themselves, spot potential danger and to know they will never be punished for coming to me to show me something / ask questions etc.
Now I have done the best job I can yet still even with parental safe guards, advice and knowledge I know I am powerless to fight against people using various loopholes, exploiting Google / Meta / twitch etc measures who barely enforce them as weak as they are, are subjected to all kinds of vile videos / posts / comments etc..
Here is a fact, in the 2023 in the US alone there were just under 36 million reported of cases of online CSAM material, nearly 31 million of these stemmed from Meta platforms (Facebook / Whatsapp / Messenger / Instagram)
Facebook as a company could do so much more if they wanted to but it is far far cheaper and easier to lobby the US Congress so it becomes somebodies problem.
The likes of Facebook / Google / Twitch etc have had years to put in measures not only to dramatical limit CSAM and other content being uploaded, but also put in systems in order to help Law Enforcement agencies around the world to find those who upload them.
As a quick example they could work with the likes of The Internet Watch Foundation, Thorn, Ofcom etc who have massive databases of CSAM material.
This would allow them to both help expand those databases and instantly removal and report any IP’s that upload any CSAM material that is contained within those databases.
Instead not only do they do the absolute minimum, but often they are very unhelpful with requests from law enforcement agencies when it comes to CSAM material requests.
Instead they have done everything they can to push the responsibility onto others and now we have reached the point where countries are able to convince people that best course of action is to implement draconian measures.
It is the greed of these multi billion dollar companies that have given governments the power to convince people that is the best way forward.
So yeah be angry at your Governments but ultimately the fault lies with those companies that you use on a daily basis.
Hasan Piker viewership about to crash
Of all the attempts to wrangle the ’net Australia’s go is almost laughably bad. Sure, on a very basic level they recognize that there’s problems with this nebulous thing called „the internet“, which I do see and do agree with: there’s incredibly exploitative platforms who chase profits at the expense of their users and the countries their users live in. For a penny they will platform the worst fucking people that lie constantly and cause civil unrest for as long as they can keep their hate grift going. These platforms are abusing democracy day and night and just getting away with it.
And so much like the other countries the aussie government want a magic bullet type solution to stop any and all of „the internet“ things happening to the youth with the twist of it being a full stop? Which is not a solution by any means just a delay; it doesn’t solve any of the exploitative things the internet does like doomscrolling, click/rage bait, data harvest and more. Things that don’t even require a social media platform to happen and adults aren’t one bit immune to.
All they’re going to do is destroy modern socialization for a generation of kids and leave so many of them stunted. You’re not making kids touch grass anymore than they currently do; worse still internet slang evolves so fast that the kids that don’t get online are going to struggle to relate with the ones that do and vice versa. I think that in of itself is going to be a fascinating study opportunity; an event of in and out groups with at such a scale to be so potentially damaging to human socialization on a national level that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to conduct purely for the science of it.
Those late teens that never got around the blocks are going to finally emerge online like a defecting North Korean with no defenses against the multi-billion dollar industries that exist purely on abusing and exploiting users.
This panic to keep kids safe is getting out of control, Whats next, id to watch TV?
It should be up to their damn parents, not the state to keep them safe. If they don’t then charge them with neglect.