Die USA haben der Ukraine vorgeschlagen, ihre Truppen aus dem Donbass abzuziehen, die Größe ihrer Armee zu reduzieren und im Austausch für umfassende Sicherheitsgarantien eine eingefrorene Frontlinie zu akzeptieren. Was ist über den Siedlungsplan bekannt, den Washington mit Moskau, Kiew und seinen Verbündeten besprochen hat?
https://sfg.media/en/a/us-proposal-ukraine-withdraw-donbas-reduce-army/
Von sergeyfomkin
50 Kommentare
this plan is DOA
> In return for these concessions, the United States, according to Axios, pledges to offer Kyiv security guarantees in the event of renewed Russian aggression. The form such guarantees might take remains unclear.
Ah yes, undefined security guarantees for the undefined future. With an Ukraine unable to join NATO, build up an army and gather highly effective weapons.
What could possibly go wrong in two or three years from now on?
SYL
From a European perspective, this is not a plan that is in our interest in my view. The only thing this would do is to embolden Russia, cement American withdrawal from Europe, and set up Ukraine for another invasion.
We have to prepare for war against Russia, and we have to prepare to back Ukraine alone. The Americans will pivot to Asia, and the country is soon so divided that it is too unpredictable to be seen as an ally.
It is unfortunate that we find ourselves in this situation, some of it is our own fault, some of it has been foisted upon us by a dictator in the east.
Nevertheless, if anyone think that we can „send a strongly worded letter“ and be done with this, you’ll have a very rude awakening coming.
Yeah right, like saying America give up land for Mexico or United Kingdom
What were the security guarantees worth that were made previously by the US?
„We definitely, super duper mean it this time.“ Of course, that reference would be lost to most of the United States, that doesn’t generally know anything about history aaand comes from an administration that just as soon throws everyone under the bus.
Surrender in exchange for protection guaranteed by Trumps word of honour? That’s Trumps big plan? What a cunt.
Trump could teach Neville Chamberlain a thing or two about the art of the deal.
Did putler find his photo of trump and Bubba?
Sounds like surrender, sounds grossly unfair and lacking justice.
The continued sticking point is security guarantees. Ukraine is unlikely to regain much territory without outside help. With hard security guarantees and troops on the ground from third party nations a military drawdown becomes possible and even economically beneficial. Without hard security guarantees none of it matters though.
Ukraine can’t make a deal with US as long as the pedo is in charge…
Maybe Ukraine needs nucs again.
Somehow it’s even worse than I expected.
Please sign these updated guarantees, revision 2, while we work on the next release due shortly.
When are Trump and this US admin going to stop making the same mistake. You CANNOT have peace in Ukraine without Ukraine and Europe being at the negotiating table. Neither Europe or Ukraine will accept a deal that leaves Russia stronger and them weaker. Period. Every day that passes the US influence on the outcome of this war gets weaker and weaker.
Kind of Budapest memorandum, but without nukes.
And I propose that Trump stops fellating other presidents but well, that isn’t happening either!
Obviously fuck Putin and all that jazz.
However, what is the route out of the war? No one is willing to step in and put their finger on the scale and defeat Russia. Russia isn’t going to pack up and go home.
It’s cheap and easy for non Ukrainians to just say ‚Never surrender, fight till the end‘ when it’s not them who die.
Trump can continue to blow Bubba, and off he fucks.
Similar or the same security guarantees like when UA gave up the nuclear arsenal?
Cant wait how willing US will be to give back Alaska…
Ffs this is so stupid, i dont think UA would be willing to accept this.
1). Both Putin and Trump are fundamentally incapable of honoring ANY agreement. So stop negotiating with them. Full stop.
2). These repugnant terms are not much different than the terms Merkel and Hollande tried to strong arm Ukraine into in 2014.
This is just bullshit, utter insanity in written form. Whoever wrote this should take a few shots of Vodka, maybe they’ll get their senses right.
so basically disarm and delay the war for another 10 years? The russian economy is failing with every day idk why Ukraine would give in now of all times.
The US: Give up your land to invaders
Also the US: We are losing our land to immigrants
So Putin does have the picture of trump and bubba
there have been security guarantees some years ago no? this is a farce…
Sounds reasonable, but…Russia already „promised“ to never invade Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuke missiles.
The US cannot be trusted. Even without Trump. Honestly I think we should drag this on until Putin dies of natural causes and see what happens.
If Trump wants to put 100,000 American troops in Zaporizhzhia and Dnipro, then maybe that wouldn’t be a really stupid idea.
No way Ukraine is giving up the fortress belt without a fight, that’s the entire point of the fortress belt.
Ukraine has built its defenses in the fortress belt since 2014, Putin is trying to get Trump to give him the fortress belt without having to fight for it.
Well, gosh, this seems like a no-brainer to me, I mean Ukraine was so well protected by the previous set of security guarantees /s
Didn’t they get ‚guarantees‘ when they gave up their Nuclear weapons?
this sounds like a pretty raw deal for ukraine giving up territory and downsizing while russia gets to keep what they grabbed with just some vague security promises in return
Anything concocted by Trump and involving Putin is not to be believed. Both are confirmed liars to the end where no deception is off the table.
Why any country would think trump intends on keeping his word is almost unfathomable.
Trump, like his pal Putin, truly fails to understand that the only (and quickest) way to end this war is to withdraw Russian troops beyond Ukraine’s officially internationally recognized borders. All it takes is for the Russians to leave today, and the war is over. Ukraine should not accept any other options!
Here we go again.
That witkoff is kind of a stubborn and annoying guys. Which an attempt is it? Third? Fourth?
Daddy Putin really needs a break, it seems. So bad that Trump had to bend over. Again.
and… Trump can get his little grabby hands on the UA natural resources on exploitation of which UA signed documents… US gets is for free and UA will get f…. all from it.
All the countries that supported UA particularly Poland will keep on paying in rebuilding UA… This is how you do it …
Taco .. what a brilliant negotiation… the USA government is a scam
Go home America, you’re drunk.
Another dead on arrival plan to make Putin happy.
Lets just hope donny doesnt withdraw intelligence sharing when it gets rejected by Ukraine.
This US government is really the dumbest and most spineless one imaginable.
Here we go again..
The same „deal“ that Putin tried before with no guarantees for Ukraine, giving up alot of land, and getting nothing in return.
Guarantees like they already had but were ignored?
Russia can’t take Donbas militarily, so they want Ukraine to give them the land they can’t take, withdraw behind their main defensive lines, and de-militarize so Russia can attack them again in 2 months.
Ridiculous. The White House is run by children.
Security guarantees like they already had for giving up their nuclear weapons? Yeah, what a great deal…
This is laughable. Let’s see what tomorrow brings. The world changes daily. Hold strong Ukraine
Honestly what’s with this Vatnik BS line again from the Orange Bellend and his useless idiots, surrendering any territory doesnt guarantee squat, it will just cause the Vatnik Bastards to come back yet again in a few years. We’ve been here and done that, Ukraine would be better off burning Russia’s remaining refineries down and kicking the shit out of them than surrendering. Even IF Russia were to make gains in Ukraine if they’re so painful and cost them everything those gains will ultimately be meaningless.
Better to bleed Putin and his cronies out than surrender. We’ve seen Bucha, we’ve seen their depraved actions across the front over the last 4 years. Surrender isn’t an option with those degenerates, the only way to make Russia fuck off for good is to cripple them so bad they’ll never be a major threat again or they collapse under the weight of their own corruption.
This ‚deal‘ undermines Ukraine and it undermines Europe. Every day we rely on the US to achieve our foreign policy objectives, the worse it will get for us.
The sooner that Europe detaches itself from this US-reliant mentality, the better.
Giving off the same vibes as the partitioning of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth
Didn’t USA already give guaranty when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons
Is the new guaranty same or better then last one?