Snippet from the end of the article and I know this is a VERY obvious statement but I’m posting it anyway!
William S. Becker, opinion contributor
* So, what was the Supreme Court’s rationale in Trump v. United States? Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts argued that a president must be able to “carry out his constitutional duties without undue caution” and take “bold and unhesitating action.”
* Are lawlessness, extortion and corruption disguised as “official acts” what Roberts had in mind? Should a president be able to purge civil servants by the thousands without just cause? Or collect lavish gifts from foreign governments? Or ignore the due process rights of immigrants?
* *In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accurately described the court’s 6-3 ruling as “****a loaded weapon*** *for any president that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain above the interests of the nation.”*
* History will not be kind to the Roberts court, nor should it be. It has failed as the republic’s last line of defense against despots. Worse, it handed the tools of autocracy to a man with criminal proclivities and no moral compass.
* The Supreme Court should admit its error and restore the principle that no one, not even the president, is exempt from the rule of law.
ShippFFXI on
No shit, Sherlock. This is only what everyone aside from MAGA said prior to, during, and after the ruling.
barryvm on
> a president must be able to “carry out his constitutional duties without undue caution” and take “bold and unhesitating action.”
Action for action’s sake and contempt for the law are very import to fascism. How else are they going to project an image of power as they stoke division, do violence as a quid-pro-quo for social policy, reward the rich and connected with boundless corruption, and run the country off a cliff? And since fascism is the only viable faction within the broader right these days due to the evident ruin of the latter’s socioeconomic policies, it has to be enabled in order to maintain those policies despite an ever growing electoral backlash. The solution to their unpopularity is not to change course, but to abolish democracy and give people some other target to vent their rage at.
greenman5252 on
Not according to project 2025, this is the way forward. This plus work camps and gratis motorcoaches.
Deinosoar on
It was not a fucking mistake. It was very much intentional raping of justice.
StrangerFew2424 on
Ya don’t say..
ME24601 on
Hard to call it a „mistake“ when they knew exactly what the consequences were and did it anyway.
RDOCallToArms on
The voters made a horrible mistake when they don’t take SCOTUS into consideration when deciding to stay home or hold their noses and vote for a Democrat they don’t love (Gore, Kerry, H.Clinton)
Reshaping the SCOTUS into a radical conservative body has been the long game (and an obvious one at that) of the conservative movement.
The conservative movement has done an excellent (in an evil kind of way) job of drilling home the importance of the SCOTUS and using it as a motivation to get their voters in line to vote for candidates they might not otherwise love.
RiseDelicious3556 on
This was an integral part of the fascist coup that has taken place in America
Frustratedtx on
Conservatives and horrible mistakes, name a more iconic duo.
victotronics on
„By now, the U.S. Supreme Court surely must see“ Who are you calling Shirley?
Anyway. Is there any indication that they surely see this? Otherwise contentless article.
Callabrantus on
They got theirs, and they’re pulling up the ladder.
the-real-ben-dover on
Trump is too incompetent and narcissistic to use the power effectively but the next person in office will be a total game changer no matter if it’s a Republican or Democrat.
Pandora’s box is open.
Abhoth52 on
Fuck you John Roberts, fuck you John Roberts, fuck you John Roberts and fuck you John Roberts.
Quesabirria on
and by „mistake“ they mean something they’ve been looking to do for a long time
rzolf on
Judges and lawyers are venal people who make their living prostrating themselves for the rich and powerful. Throughout american history they’ve mostly been corrupt and anti-democratic. There was a brief recent era where they pretended to be the bulwark of law and protector of rights and some of them really believed it. However, Americans forgot most of their history class and put too much faith in these people. All throughout the civil rights era there was a parallel universe of lawyers working in conspiratorial tandem to regain their rightful place as the kingdom’s knaves and they finally succeeded
Catspaw129 on
INFO: Can SCOTUS reverse that decision on their own initiative or would someone have to sue the presidency (or maybe SCOTUS themselves?) and show that they have standing?
And if suing, I imagine they would have to do US District Court -> Appeals Court -> SCOTUS and win in all of them.
awitod on
The worst John since 1216 AD. Hopefully we will never have another.
Original_Bicycle5696 on
„Mistake“
Sure seemed intentional at the time.
Hume_Fume on
The whole point of a Democracy is to prevent anyone from having absolute power, they’ve literally ignored the Constitution.
espinaustin on
> History will not be kind to the Roberts court, nor should it be. It has failed as the republic’s last line of defense against despots. Worse, it handed the tools of autocracy to a man with criminal proclivities and no moral compass.
> The Supreme Court should admit its error and restore the principle that no one, not even the president, is exempt from the rule of law.
Hear Hear
CrimsonHeretic on
They did it intentionally.
Artistic-Cannibalism on
This wasn’t a mistake; this was malice against the foundation of the country against the institutions that help it run and against the people of the nation.
ReleaseFromDeception on
He doesn’t have absolute power – yet.
He DOES have conditional immunity though. That’s a very important first step.
N4R4B on
Jesus Christ, the Supreme Court will find after 2028 that President is not immune and doesn’t have absolute power. Same will happen with the congress where Moses Johnson is leading the flock.
jarvis646 on
No they did it on purpose. The conservative majority are traitors to democracy.
Miguel-odon on
It wasn’t a mistake. It was intentional. They knew exactly what they were doing.
DudeBroBratan on
We were warned early on
bickies1986 on
Duh?
NAStrahl on
r/NoShitSherlock
JamesPage1968 on
Headline brought to you by Captain Obvious
mjs4x6 on
It wasn’t a mistake.
doch92 on
The Supreme Court made a choice. They knew damn well what they were doing.
QuantumConversation on
History will label this court as the corrupt fascist institution that it’s become. They gave a toddler a loaded weapon.
Same_Set8195 on
That assumes they were acting in good faith.
Beneficial_Pianist90 on
So whatcha all gonna do about it???
nononotes on
Mistakes are accidents. This wasn’t an accident.
Ok-Abbreviations543 on
They gave a lawless sociopath and lifelong criminal a “get out of jail free card.” So yeah, stupid beyond words.
That’s basically enshrining a president as king. Obviously The Donvict is a piece of garbage so short of keeping him in handcuffs, you’re not protecting the Republic.
But no president, of any party, should be free from prosecution. No man or woman is above the law, unless Roberts is writing the law.
RustedRelics on
Roberts has been advocating for this his entire career. His folksy, reasonable manner before his confirmation hearing was total b.s. He never had any plan or even an inclination toward “just calling balls and strikes.”
morningsharts on
I think I just pulled my eye rolling muscles.
Exodys03 on
It might be forgiveable if the Supreme Court issued this decision with the background of a purely hypothetical case of a President misusing the immunity granted to him/her. We wouldn’t expect most elected leaders to just go on a crime spree because they have immunity from prosecution.
The context, however, was the very real case of Donald J. Trump, who had 91 active felony charges from his first time because he ignored any legal restraints and was seeking absolute immunity to escape those charges while running for President again. His abusing Presidential immunity if he won the case and re-election was pretty much a certain yet conservative justices on the Supreme Court handed him a laminating crime license. His lawyers argued that he should be able to order the assassination of a political rival for godsakes and, while he hasn’t done that yet, he’s taken full advantage of the crime license that the Supreme Court gave him.
rocksoffjagger on
No fucking shit. They made a horrible mistake when they gave ANY president absolute power, because that’s called a „dictator.“
unaskthequestion on
Roberts has been wrong in so many of his opinions. In Citizens United, he said calls that foreign campaign contributions would soar, ‚completely wrong‘. Guess what? They did.
In overturning the enforcement portion of the Voting Rights Act, he said it was no longer necessary to monitor the states. Days after the decision, states closed hundreds of polling stations, almost all in minority districts.
Nothing like a chief Justice living in a fantasy world and forcing us to live there too.
SamantherPantha on
We’ve just returned from a trip to Germany which included a visit to the National Socialism Documentation Centre in Cologne, aka, an exhibition all about Cologne and Germany’s decent into Nazism and fascism. The parallels between 1930s Germany and present day USA are beyond disturbing, whether that’s taking control of the media, replacing good competent staff in government roles with sycophants and cronies, or arresting people on the streets for no reason and disappearing them.
What an incredibly scary era of history repeating itself, and SCOTUS has been complicit. Shame on them.
runningoutofwords on
It wasn’t a mistake.
It was a CHOICE.
They may regret the choice they made at some point, but they knew EXACTLY what they were choosing when they chose.
kgambito on
This was not a mistake. This was planned, and the intent was criminal.
ELStoker on
Watch how quickly that changes if a Democrat wins the White House.
Sun-Anvil on
Unless they feel the same way, at least the ones that agreed to it, it doesn’t matter. We and many others know it was a mistake but it won’t really matter to them until it’s absolutely too late.
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Snippet from the end of the article and I know this is a VERY obvious statement but I’m posting it anyway!
William S. Becker, opinion contributor
* So, what was the Supreme Court’s rationale in Trump v. United States? Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts argued that a president must be able to “carry out his constitutional duties without undue caution” and take “bold and unhesitating action.”
* Are lawlessness, extortion and corruption disguised as “official acts” what Roberts had in mind? Should a president be able to purge civil servants by the thousands without just cause? Or collect lavish gifts from foreign governments? Or ignore the due process rights of immigrants?
* *In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accurately described the court’s 6-3 ruling as “****a loaded weapon*** *for any president that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain above the interests of the nation.”*
* History will not be kind to the Roberts court, nor should it be. It has failed as the republic’s last line of defense against despots. Worse, it handed the tools of autocracy to a man with criminal proclivities and no moral compass.
* The Supreme Court should admit its error and restore the principle that no one, not even the president, is exempt from the rule of law.
No shit, Sherlock. This is only what everyone aside from MAGA said prior to, during, and after the ruling.
> a president must be able to “carry out his constitutional duties without undue caution” and take “bold and unhesitating action.”
Action for action’s sake and contempt for the law are very import to fascism. How else are they going to project an image of power as they stoke division, do violence as a quid-pro-quo for social policy, reward the rich and connected with boundless corruption, and run the country off a cliff? And since fascism is the only viable faction within the broader right these days due to the evident ruin of the latter’s socioeconomic policies, it has to be enabled in order to maintain those policies despite an ever growing electoral backlash. The solution to their unpopularity is not to change course, but to abolish democracy and give people some other target to vent their rage at.
Not according to project 2025, this is the way forward. This plus work camps and gratis motorcoaches.
It was not a fucking mistake. It was very much intentional raping of justice.
Ya don’t say..
Hard to call it a „mistake“ when they knew exactly what the consequences were and did it anyway.
The voters made a horrible mistake when they don’t take SCOTUS into consideration when deciding to stay home or hold their noses and vote for a Democrat they don’t love (Gore, Kerry, H.Clinton)
Reshaping the SCOTUS into a radical conservative body has been the long game (and an obvious one at that) of the conservative movement.
The conservative movement has done an excellent (in an evil kind of way) job of drilling home the importance of the SCOTUS and using it as a motivation to get their voters in line to vote for candidates they might not otherwise love.
This was an integral part of the fascist coup that has taken place in America
Conservatives and horrible mistakes, name a more iconic duo.
„By now, the U.S. Supreme Court surely must see“ Who are you calling Shirley?
Anyway. Is there any indication that they surely see this? Otherwise contentless article.
They got theirs, and they’re pulling up the ladder.
Trump is too incompetent and narcissistic to use the power effectively but the next person in office will be a total game changer no matter if it’s a Republican or Democrat.
Pandora’s box is open.
Fuck you John Roberts, fuck you John Roberts, fuck you John Roberts and fuck you John Roberts.
and by „mistake“ they mean something they’ve been looking to do for a long time
Judges and lawyers are venal people who make their living prostrating themselves for the rich and powerful. Throughout american history they’ve mostly been corrupt and anti-democratic. There was a brief recent era where they pretended to be the bulwark of law and protector of rights and some of them really believed it. However, Americans forgot most of their history class and put too much faith in these people. All throughout the civil rights era there was a parallel universe of lawyers working in conspiratorial tandem to regain their rightful place as the kingdom’s knaves and they finally succeeded
INFO: Can SCOTUS reverse that decision on their own initiative or would someone have to sue the presidency (or maybe SCOTUS themselves?) and show that they have standing?
And if suing, I imagine they would have to do US District Court -> Appeals Court -> SCOTUS and win in all of them.
The worst John since 1216 AD. Hopefully we will never have another.
„Mistake“
Sure seemed intentional at the time.
The whole point of a Democracy is to prevent anyone from having absolute power, they’ve literally ignored the Constitution.
> History will not be kind to the Roberts court, nor should it be. It has failed as the republic’s last line of defense against despots. Worse, it handed the tools of autocracy to a man with criminal proclivities and no moral compass.
> The Supreme Court should admit its error and restore the principle that no one, not even the president, is exempt from the rule of law.
Hear Hear
They did it intentionally.
This wasn’t a mistake; this was malice against the foundation of the country against the institutions that help it run and against the people of the nation.
He doesn’t have absolute power – yet.
He DOES have conditional immunity though. That’s a very important first step.
Jesus Christ, the Supreme Court will find after 2028 that President is not immune and doesn’t have absolute power. Same will happen with the congress where Moses Johnson is leading the flock.
No they did it on purpose. The conservative majority are traitors to democracy.
It wasn’t a mistake. It was intentional. They knew exactly what they were doing.
We were warned early on
Duh?
r/NoShitSherlock
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It wasn’t a mistake.
The Supreme Court made a choice. They knew damn well what they were doing.
History will label this court as the corrupt fascist institution that it’s become. They gave a toddler a loaded weapon.
That assumes they were acting in good faith.
So whatcha all gonna do about it???
Mistakes are accidents. This wasn’t an accident.
They gave a lawless sociopath and lifelong criminal a “get out of jail free card.” So yeah, stupid beyond words.
That’s basically enshrining a president as king. Obviously The Donvict is a piece of garbage so short of keeping him in handcuffs, you’re not protecting the Republic.
But no president, of any party, should be free from prosecution. No man or woman is above the law, unless Roberts is writing the law.
Roberts has been advocating for this his entire career. His folksy, reasonable manner before his confirmation hearing was total b.s. He never had any plan or even an inclination toward “just calling balls and strikes.”
I think I just pulled my eye rolling muscles.
It might be forgiveable if the Supreme Court issued this decision with the background of a purely hypothetical case of a President misusing the immunity granted to him/her. We wouldn’t expect most elected leaders to just go on a crime spree because they have immunity from prosecution.
The context, however, was the very real case of Donald J. Trump, who had 91 active felony charges from his first time because he ignored any legal restraints and was seeking absolute immunity to escape those charges while running for President again. His abusing Presidential immunity if he won the case and re-election was pretty much a certain yet conservative justices on the Supreme Court handed him a laminating crime license. His lawyers argued that he should be able to order the assassination of a political rival for godsakes and, while he hasn’t done that yet, he’s taken full advantage of the crime license that the Supreme Court gave him.
No fucking shit. They made a horrible mistake when they gave ANY president absolute power, because that’s called a „dictator.“
Roberts has been wrong in so many of his opinions. In Citizens United, he said calls that foreign campaign contributions would soar, ‚completely wrong‘. Guess what? They did.
In overturning the enforcement portion of the Voting Rights Act, he said it was no longer necessary to monitor the states. Days after the decision, states closed hundreds of polling stations, almost all in minority districts.
Nothing like a chief Justice living in a fantasy world and forcing us to live there too.
We’ve just returned from a trip to Germany which included a visit to the National Socialism Documentation Centre in Cologne, aka, an exhibition all about Cologne and Germany’s decent into Nazism and fascism. The parallels between 1930s Germany and present day USA are beyond disturbing, whether that’s taking control of the media, replacing good competent staff in government roles with sycophants and cronies, or arresting people on the streets for no reason and disappearing them.
What an incredibly scary era of history repeating itself, and SCOTUS has been complicit. Shame on them.
It wasn’t a mistake.
It was a CHOICE.
They may regret the choice they made at some point, but they knew EXACTLY what they were choosing when they chose.
This was not a mistake. This was planned, and the intent was criminal.
Watch how quickly that changes if a Democrat wins the White House.
Unless they feel the same way, at least the ones that agreed to it, it doesn’t matter. We and many others know it was a mistake but it won’t really matter to them until it’s absolutely too late.