Some don’t lay neatly enough, others pay far too much. We have to understand that due to population density issues that our tax burden will be higher because we have to provide a larger distribution of services.
WaltsClone on
I would wager we aren’t paying enough taxes. Of course, if wages increased, we would pay more taxes.
So yeah, upper class doesn’t pay their fair share while refusing to increase wages (and therefore taxation) of lower income brackets.
So to summarize, the elites don’t pay enough taxes or wages and leave the rest of us to argue amongst ourselves.
PurpleHerring_ on
Yes. When randos live in taxpayer funded mansions like Stornaway when they are between jobs, we’re paying more than we should.
m_Pony on
„We“ would be paying less taxes if corporate tax law were overhauled. The fact that Canadian billionaires exist shows that corporate tax law has been off the rails for quite a while.
Canadian_mk11 on
Some working Canadians pay relatively a large amount of taxes, others that have a large number of assets/investments pay relatively less comparatively in terms of their ability to pay.
motobrgr on
I make a good living in tech – and my taxes in Toronto are the same as they would be in Los Angeles – except I get healthcare included which means my take home is higher.
Having a large American team I can tell you that they don’t pay less in taxes – they just pay them differently. A state income tax free place like Texas has so many user fees and high property taxes it’s insane. Only the truly wealthy are better off there.
If governments want to lower taxes, they can stop playing politics with our money and stop wasting tax dollars on partisan BS.
Prudent-Proposal1943 on
Considering 15 million people who owned homes 10 years ago in Canada’s biggest cities are all tax free millionaires now, I’d say there are plenty of taxes left on the table yet.
Young families with household incomes of under $100K are paying far too much. Middle-aged empty nest top earners are paying far too little.
FreddyFree69 on
Poilievre says Canadians pay too much tax, but he ignores what we get for it.
In the U.S., a typical family of four pays about US$25–35k a year for health insurance (≈ CAD $34–48k).
In Canada, that cost is covered through our taxes.
So take what you pay in federal tax, subtract $34–48k, and that’s the real comparison.
Our taxes are a bargain compared to paying U.S.-style healthcare.
Zarxon on
So what services would Mr. Poilievre cut in order to lower taxes. When he says Canadians pay too much I think he means the wealthiest of us. In fact I don’t even believe he is thinking of anyone at all except himself and his failing political career. More partisan talking points made to divide us and, again, 0 solutions.
Novel-Werewolf-3554 on
The marginal tax rate is over 50%. When more of your money goes to the government than goes to the taxpayer yeah we’re paying too much in taxes. The really egregious taxes are the stealth taxes like EI and CPP, where what ought to be your savings at equity returns over the long term get cut down to cents on the dollar because Canadians just accept government slop.
cdawg85 on
Some of us do (working class folks earning less than $150k), and some of us don’t (corporations and the extremely wealthy).
netfreedom on
The question is – what’s the value for the $ we pay and how do taxes help support values of justice, equality and rights. Given what we pay , more should be paid in taxes so services are provided as a public good and not privatized . One way to collect more taxes is to make fines – not a set value, but based on the income or the corporation. A billionaire caught speeding for instance should pay , like in Norway, a fine based on one’s leave of wealth https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/17/norwegian-heiress-katharina-g-andresen-23000-pound-drink-driving-fine
Routine_Soup2022 on
Poilievre thinks we pay too much tax. Rest assured, Conservatives although think we get too many services from government. Conservatives are all about small government. It leads to a situation where the rich and semi-rich get more money in their pockets, and where programs many Canadians need get cut to make it happen.
cabwyWettutOljAr on
9862.96 gross, pretax deduction 399.72, taxes 3561.12 now im left with 5902.12 . I worked 156 hours in 2 weeks. That includes overtime with double time pay. I do feel like i am getting tax way too high.
StilesLong on
I got banned from another sub for this comment but here are some of my thoughts on taxes and government spending:
On West of Centre, they sometimes joke that Albertans aren’t conservative, they’re just anti tax.
People often say „run government like a business“ and then they go and forsake revenue by cutting taxes. What business would do that? Nobody likes paying taxes except we also can’t have government services without taxes.
I consider myself a centrist (I waver between NDP/Liberal but would consider the federal Conservatives if they had a good leader). I get that we want government to be lean but it’s possible to be too lean, to be dangerously thin.
After years of cutting revenue sources, I worry that governments across the county are now on a diet that is too strict to be able to sustain public services, respond to new demands (see boosted military spending), and to keep budgets balanced.
I’m young and I suspect I’ll be paying for the low-tax, Boomer diet in future. Government should make the hard choice and either cut services or raise taxes. Neither is an easy choice and as someone working in social services, I’d rather they raise taxes because there is a lot of suffering that simply isn’t profitable to address, meaning government spending has to deal with it.
It’s worth pointing out that spending to house the unhoused saves a ton of money, as does providing consistent treatment for people with substance abuse issues, or even hiring more primary care physicians to catch and treat chronic illnesses before they show up in the ER.
Spending money now to save money later doesn’t jive with modern, western business practice that seeks to maximize profit now but that’s an example of why governments can’t pretend to be businesses.
WillSRobs on
Weird that most of his ideas involve the working class paying more and the stupid rich paying less.
Also Canadian taxes in comparison to history aren’t bad stagnate wages is our problem
Emotional-Ad-6494 on
I think it’s how we spend and hold accountability to govt departments with the money they DO use. As someone close to people in healthcare, they are the first to say there is so much waste and bureaucracy with how we’re managing our health care system. More money does not mean it’ll be managed better.
bigjimbay on
Yes. Not because our taxes are crazy high, they are but the return we see on our taxes in terms of services is abysmal. Our country is insanely mismanaged at every level. If our taxes were used more efficiently it would mostly be fine.
burnttoast14 on
If there’s 40 million people in Canada about 12 million or so homeowners majority of them are Gen X and boomers
Average equity across the nation let’s say $400,000
The liberals just made $4.8 + trillion overnight, assuming everybody sells their home and realizes a deem of disposition
Wait until the Liberals bring in home equity tax and then we can ask ourselves truly if we need more taxes
Many people’s retirement will be affected
Perfect-Ship7977 on
For the end product, Yes we pay too much tax for failing social systems, created as a safety net for people.
Our education, healthcare and transportation systems should be way more efficient and striving with investments form long term growth and stability.
Tight-Common-4495 on
I can see how Poilievre would feel that high income Canadians are paying too much in taxes. With a hard earned income of $325,000 , I pay a total of 47% for both federal and provincial (Alberta) taxes. I think it’s likely Poilievre could be in this tax bracket, too.
Even though I say goodbye to almost half of my wages, I am willing to support our great nation and all Canadians.
I know that if the CPC reduces taxes, there will be severe reductions in national programs that will negatively affect Canadians in the areas of the national security, environmental wellbeing and provincial equalization payments.
However, I think that this is CPC partisan rhetoric. They know that removing the government’s main source of income would be disastrous for Canada and their party especially in this global world of uncertainty.
SmellybutKind on
Yes, we definitely pay too much in tax. The massive amount of waste at all levels of government is astounding.
Yes, we pay too much in taxes for what we get in return.
The medical system in Quebec is so bad we’re starting to consider paying thousands of dollars a year to get a private family doctor.
DonSalaam on
A family member of mine, who is a US citizen and lives in the states, was diagnosed with cancer. He successfully treated his cancer and has fully recovered. He was self employed and didn’t have health insurance, or his insurance didn’t cover all his treatments (I don’t recall the exact story). The medical bills left him facing bankruptcy. Ourselves and our loved ones in Canada only need to fall seriously sick once in our lifetimes to truly understand the ROI on the taxes we pay.
badapl on
If there’s any validity to his statement it’s more along the line that wages are have been flat, relative to corporate level income, company profits & overall productivity. There’s been no „trickle down“ as promised 40 years ago with Regan/Thatcher-nomics) employee income compared to profits is the issue.
Taxes haven’t been the problem, low wage growth has been. I dont mind the 28% if it means universal Healthcare, reasonable inferstucture investment ect. I’d like just like a bigger overall piece of pie to divide up.
TheJohnson854 on
Ya let’s all be murcan right PP? He just can’t suppress it can he? Let’s have a real discussion, on what services and benefits we want or get for our taxes. Just saying we pay too much is a sound bite for morons. We deserve better. Move along.
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Some don’t lay neatly enough, others pay far too much. We have to understand that due to population density issues that our tax burden will be higher because we have to provide a larger distribution of services.
I would wager we aren’t paying enough taxes. Of course, if wages increased, we would pay more taxes.
So yeah, upper class doesn’t pay their fair share while refusing to increase wages (and therefore taxation) of lower income brackets.
So to summarize, the elites don’t pay enough taxes or wages and leave the rest of us to argue amongst ourselves.
Yes. When randos live in taxpayer funded mansions like Stornaway when they are between jobs, we’re paying more than we should.
„We“ would be paying less taxes if corporate tax law were overhauled. The fact that Canadian billionaires exist shows that corporate tax law has been off the rails for quite a while.
Some working Canadians pay relatively a large amount of taxes, others that have a large number of assets/investments pay relatively less comparatively in terms of their ability to pay.
I make a good living in tech – and my taxes in Toronto are the same as they would be in Los Angeles – except I get healthcare included which means my take home is higher.
Having a large American team I can tell you that they don’t pay less in taxes – they just pay them differently. A state income tax free place like Texas has so many user fees and high property taxes it’s insane. Only the truly wealthy are better off there.
If governments want to lower taxes, they can stop playing politics with our money and stop wasting tax dollars on partisan BS.
Considering 15 million people who owned homes 10 years ago in Canada’s biggest cities are all tax free millionaires now, I’d say there are plenty of taxes left on the table yet.
Young families with household incomes of under $100K are paying far too much. Middle-aged empty nest top earners are paying far too little.
Poilievre says Canadians pay too much tax, but he ignores what we get for it.
In the U.S., a typical family of four pays about US$25–35k a year for health insurance (≈ CAD $34–48k).
In Canada, that cost is covered through our taxes.
So take what you pay in federal tax, subtract $34–48k, and that’s the real comparison.
Our taxes are a bargain compared to paying U.S.-style healthcare.
So what services would Mr. Poilievre cut in order to lower taxes. When he says Canadians pay too much I think he means the wealthiest of us. In fact I don’t even believe he is thinking of anyone at all except himself and his failing political career. More partisan talking points made to divide us and, again, 0 solutions.
The marginal tax rate is over 50%. When more of your money goes to the government than goes to the taxpayer yeah we’re paying too much in taxes. The really egregious taxes are the stealth taxes like EI and CPP, where what ought to be your savings at equity returns over the long term get cut down to cents on the dollar because Canadians just accept government slop.
Some of us do (working class folks earning less than $150k), and some of us don’t (corporations and the extremely wealthy).
The question is – what’s the value for the $ we pay and how do taxes help support values of justice, equality and rights. Given what we pay , more should be paid in taxes so services are provided as a public good and not privatized . One way to collect more taxes is to make fines – not a set value, but based on the income or the corporation. A billionaire caught speeding for instance should pay , like in Norway, a fine based on one’s leave of wealth https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/17/norwegian-heiress-katharina-g-andresen-23000-pound-drink-driving-fine
Poilievre thinks we pay too much tax. Rest assured, Conservatives although think we get too many services from government. Conservatives are all about small government. It leads to a situation where the rich and semi-rich get more money in their pockets, and where programs many Canadians need get cut to make it happen.
9862.96 gross, pretax deduction 399.72, taxes 3561.12 now im left with 5902.12 . I worked 156 hours in 2 weeks. That includes overtime with double time pay. I do feel like i am getting tax way too high.
I got banned from another sub for this comment but here are some of my thoughts on taxes and government spending:
On West of Centre, they sometimes joke that Albertans aren’t conservative, they’re just anti tax.
People often say „run government like a business“ and then they go and forsake revenue by cutting taxes. What business would do that? Nobody likes paying taxes except we also can’t have government services without taxes.
I consider myself a centrist (I waver between NDP/Liberal but would consider the federal Conservatives if they had a good leader). I get that we want government to be lean but it’s possible to be too lean, to be dangerously thin.
After years of cutting revenue sources, I worry that governments across the county are now on a diet that is too strict to be able to sustain public services, respond to new demands (see boosted military spending), and to keep budgets balanced.
I’m young and I suspect I’ll be paying for the low-tax, Boomer diet in future. Government should make the hard choice and either cut services or raise taxes. Neither is an easy choice and as someone working in social services, I’d rather they raise taxes because there is a lot of suffering that simply isn’t profitable to address, meaning government spending has to deal with it.
It’s worth pointing out that spending to house the unhoused saves a ton of money, as does providing consistent treatment for people with substance abuse issues, or even hiring more primary care physicians to catch and treat chronic illnesses before they show up in the ER.
Spending money now to save money later doesn’t jive with modern, western business practice that seeks to maximize profit now but that’s an example of why governments can’t pretend to be businesses.
Weird that most of his ideas involve the working class paying more and the stupid rich paying less.
Also Canadian taxes in comparison to history aren’t bad stagnate wages is our problem
I think it’s how we spend and hold accountability to govt departments with the money they DO use. As someone close to people in healthcare, they are the first to say there is so much waste and bureaucracy with how we’re managing our health care system. More money does not mean it’ll be managed better.
Yes. Not because our taxes are crazy high, they are but the return we see on our taxes in terms of services is abysmal. Our country is insanely mismanaged at every level. If our taxes were used more efficiently it would mostly be fine.
If there’s 40 million people in Canada about 12 million or so homeowners majority of them are Gen X and boomers
Average equity across the nation let’s say $400,000
The liberals just made $4.8 + trillion overnight, assuming everybody sells their home and realizes a deem of disposition
Wait until the Liberals bring in home equity tax and then we can ask ourselves truly if we need more taxes
Many people’s retirement will be affected
For the end product, Yes we pay too much tax for failing social systems, created as a safety net for people.
Our education, healthcare and transportation systems should be way more efficient and striving with investments form long term growth and stability.
I can see how Poilievre would feel that high income Canadians are paying too much in taxes. With a hard earned income of $325,000 , I pay a total of 47% for both federal and provincial (Alberta) taxes. I think it’s likely Poilievre could be in this tax bracket, too.
Even though I say goodbye to almost half of my wages, I am willing to support our great nation and all Canadians.
I know that if the CPC reduces taxes, there will be severe reductions in national programs that will negatively affect Canadians in the areas of the national security, environmental wellbeing and provincial equalization payments.
However, I think that this is CPC partisan rhetoric. They know that removing the government’s main source of income would be disastrous for Canada and their party especially in this global world of uncertainty.
Yes, we definitely pay too much in tax. The massive amount of waste at all levels of government is astounding.
Some of the more egregious federal examples:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ottawa-ends-funding-for-asylum-seekers-hotel-rooms-after-seven-years-1-2-billion
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/cost-of-ottawas-gun-ban-fiasco-may-reach-6-billion
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/auditor-general-report-arrivecan-1.7111043
Yes, we pay too much in taxes for what we get in return.
The medical system in Quebec is so bad we’re starting to consider paying thousands of dollars a year to get a private family doctor.
A family member of mine, who is a US citizen and lives in the states, was diagnosed with cancer. He successfully treated his cancer and has fully recovered. He was self employed and didn’t have health insurance, or his insurance didn’t cover all his treatments (I don’t recall the exact story). The medical bills left him facing bankruptcy. Ourselves and our loved ones in Canada only need to fall seriously sick once in our lifetimes to truly understand the ROI on the taxes we pay.
If there’s any validity to his statement it’s more along the line that wages are have been flat, relative to corporate level income, company profits & overall productivity. There’s been no „trickle down“ as promised 40 years ago with Regan/Thatcher-nomics) employee income compared to profits is the issue.
Taxes haven’t been the problem, low wage growth has been. I dont mind the 28% if it means universal Healthcare, reasonable inferstucture investment ect. I’d like just like a bigger overall piece of pie to divide up.
Ya let’s all be murcan right PP? He just can’t suppress it can he? Let’s have a real discussion, on what services and benefits we want or get for our taxes. Just saying we pay too much is a sound bite for morons. We deserve better. Move along.