Lara Marlowe: Glaubt irgendjemand, dass Russland die irische Neutralität in einem großen europäischen Krieg respektieren würde?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/11/14/lara-marlowe-does-anyone-believe-that-russia-would-respect-irish-neutrality-in-a-major-european-war/
Von Floodzie
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From the article:
„Sooner or later, anyone who advocates helping [Ukraine](https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/ukraine-war/) defend itself against [Russian](https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/russia/) aggression is called a warmonger. If you talk about the very real Russian threat to Europe, you’ll be labelled a fearmonger.“
Lara relax, it’s a Friday we’re preparing ourselves to enjoy the weekend who the fuck wants to speculate on nuclear war.
The only thing ruzzia respects is brute and violent force. They eat weak countries like Ireland for breakfast.
Does Russia have the capacity to attack the whole continent after suffering so many loses in Ukraine, both personal and equipment?
Reminder it’s day 1353 of Putin’s Three Day war of colonial conquest against a European country that was not only neutral but friendly to Russia and willingly gave up the worlds third largest nuclear arsenal
We can’t expect people to „respect out neurtrality“ if we dont respect it ourselves.
Rendition flights through shannon
Munitions on the way to Israel
Information sharing wrt russian activiey with NATO members
A major European war would be nuclear suicide for Russia
i see the irish times hasnt changed it pro war stance
Why would they?
They agreed to defend Ukraine as part of the handover of nukes.
Look at what happened.
I’m not for us joining NATO but we need to stop wanking ourselves off about being some king of neutrality when we rave on 800 years and bow to the almighty dollar.
Proper defence funding, integration of EU countries military. Alignment with the UK (which we have) and a realisation that when push comes to shove, we today couldn’t do much alone, but together with the other European nations we can support and should support.
Enough of the romanticise of being neutral or being in NATO. Real conversations need to happen on how we defend, expect support and be expected to support fellow European nations.
Firstly I’ll say this, I don’t consider you warmongers. Your not smart, or powerful enough to be warmongers.
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Secondly, I’ll leave the above here just in case Lara Marlowe and the rest of the melts want to join up. No? Just others your hoping to send off to some war is it. Lovely.
Thirdly, hardly anyone has a problem with Ukraine defending itself, or even Ireland beefing up its military spending. The problem is the loudest advocates for such spending want us to abandon our neutrality and ultimately join NATO.
Lastly, Irelands not been in a war for a century, and despite the incessant bleating of the some, that’s not looking like changing any time soon.
By all means lets fund are defence forces, starting with proper pay for our current members. Until you lot can figure out how to retain enough personnel to maintain our current assets. Can we even launch all our Navail vessels at the same time?
Russia already doesn’t respect our neutrality. But most in Ireland don’t want to admit that.
It’s not even about a war or invasion. We’re an island nation and we can barely police our own waters. We’re dependent on the UK, a country we fought a war of independence against, to police our skies for us, even though we claim to be neutral. How the fuck is that neutral? It’s fucking bollocks.
We don’t need to be able to stage an invasion of any other country. We don’t need to be able to repel an invasion. We need to be able to properly police our own territory and assure the security of the people within it.
Being neutral didn’t help the Dutch, Danes, Belgians, Norwegians, Latvians or Icelanders in WW2. Both the Allies and Axis had invasion plans for Ireland.
Unless a country can defend itself no other country will respects it’s neutrality and we’ll never spend enough to be able to defend ourselves.
Is it the odd days that Russia are a threat to the whole of Europe.
And then on the even days they’re back to the brink of collapse??
I don’t believe we are even a neutral nation anymore. Sure we have no physical army of any kind but we allow American forces and foreign ammunition pass in and over our country to fund genocides and warfare elsewhere. We are a prime target with that alone as we’re essentially the gateway to Europe and America. You can’t have it both ways. Acting all “neutral” is cute in a world where governments of other countries used to have respect and followed some sort of international rules but now that’s completely out the window. We’re a financial powerhouse and if that is affected in any way the wider market would be affected hugely so we need to seriously reconsider our stance and army. We have the money.
It would be naive to think Russia would respect our neutrality in the scenario of an all out war. Realistically, if it were to come ahead, Ireland would be the opportune country to invade as it would allow the Russians an idealistic launching grounds against the United Kingdom and France (who would 100% be involved in that war because…well you know what they’re like 😂)
I’m against the idea of Ireland joining NATO for many reasons, but at the same time, we REALLY need to up our military spending and like many others, become closer to European militaries.
Finally….fuck me, I miss the 2010s when we didn’t have to think about this bullshit…
Russia is not looking for a “major European war”, they have enough on their plate with Ukraine, which is a major European war. They are looking to exert influence in all countries, be it through support for “friendly” parties/figures, and or knowingly proliferating disagreement. They can’t do it to the same extent in all countries but the internet is a good substitute. Have a look at any thread on Reddit that is about immigration.
i don’t think thy have any designs on Ireland militarily but we are a target for disinformation and political agendas.
Obviously not. Only an idiot would think that notional neutrality would matter to Russia.
But that doesn’t change the fact that, in the event of a major European war, we’d still remain a very low priority target for millitary action.
The threat to us from Russia has always been more in the line of sabotage, cyber-terrorism, political interference, etc. And obviously the knock-on effects of any military action against other countries.
In that context our neutrality doesn’t matter either way. Even without a major European war, those threats exist.
We need to scale up our own defence.
We are responsible for 12% of EU territorial waters and a lot of transatlantic data cables…those are reasons enough
Well that escalated quickly
These people writing these articles are honestly enemies of the Irish public.
They have def been paid off by the war mongering machine to generate this rubbish to fool the idiots of this country to start believing this rubbish, in order to get a cut from our Tax revenue. That’s what this is all about.
Oh Russia, the big bad wolf is going to get you, you’d better give us some money….
Russia is finished, it has showed how poorly equipped this army actually is on many levels with their failed invasion of their much smaller neighbor and when Putin falls (which will happen) that country will implode and many parts will go for their independence.
And then no doubt, these scumbags will have to create a new ‚boogyman‘ for all of us to scared of, and again, part ways with some of our Tax money.
Its all just once massive scam/system created to extract money and give to a tiny and extremely evil cohort of people in the warmongering machine.
Does anyone believe we would actually be able to defend against Russia if it came to world war.
Russia has already attacked us several times.
Modern wars are fought with bytes as much as with bullets.
How many Irish citizens suffered when the hacker group linked to Russian intelligence services attacked our health service?
Russian linked ships have been spotted trying to drag their anchors through undersea cables off the coast of Ireland.
If those get cut our ability to communicate with the rest of the world is crippled. People don’t realise how much of our day to day life is now totally reliant on online services that would be cut off if our ability to communicate with the rest of the world is damaged.
Even if they did respect it (which they won’t), we should be protecting our own territory. Not sitting here defenceless saying „everyone loves us“ (they don’t) and expecting other countries to help us if we got into trouble. European nations are rearming at speed and are very worried about Russia, the least we can do is not be a burden to them at this time.
The Russian government think we’re part of the UK. They think in terms of big, powerful countries and small countries are subservient to those big powers.
So they don’t see us any different from London
Are we seeing the same questions asked of Malta or Austria? Both, like Ireland, are militarily neutral countries and members of the EU. Or Switzerland.
As a percentage of GDP, Ireland’s military spending is an obvious outlier (around 0.24%), but we know that Ireland’s GDP is somewhat skewed. If we use GNI, it doubles to 0.4%, which puts us on par with Malta. Still about 50% lower than the third lowest (Luxembourg, nearing 1%). The highest is Poland at 4.15%, and the EU average is 1.3%.
To reach that 1.3% we’d need to be spending €6.63 billion (GDP) or €5.05 billion (GNI) on the military. That’s about half our total education budget.
Currently, we spend €1.35 billion.
So, for me, two questions arise:
1. Where would that money come from?
2. What would *we* get for it?
How the fuuuuuck would russia invade one single european country like france germany or poland ? Its a complete nonsense imo. Just look what happened when the US invaded poverty stricken iraq or afghanistan. There isn’t a single hope in hell russia would be capable of occupying another large country imo.
Yep. Don’t see them attacking Ireland at any stage, ever.
Would they respect our military of wet pumped a few billion more into it? No, obviously. Stop war mongering for money from defence contractors
Another article from the Irish Times manufacturing consent for the arms industry.
I think the young men and women that we would be sending to war should be the only ones that get to vote on going to war.
Ireland has incentivised its neighbours and the world’s largest Superpower to come to its defence in case of any attack, by integrating economically via the EU and US multinationals, and by and cooperating militarily to a point. Bottom line is that America and the UK would never accept Russia in Ireland. Russia knows that, and they also know they could never hold on to it or gain anything from it other than a massive loss of troops and weaponry. At best it represents a temporary military staging ground in a much, much larger conflict, the likelihood of which ever arising is very low, and before which Ireland and its neighbours would certainly look to adjust their strategy. Thats one of the main reasons for neutrality – it’s a better defence strategy than actively engaging or building up your own military, a questionable proposition for Ireland itself.
Not for a single second
So these “let’s join NATO” articles are now weekly, rather than fortnightly? Okay so.
How many troops would russia need to occupy poland ? Let alone the combined force of france germany and the uk ? Just look what happened to american forced in vietnam, iraq or afghanistan. There’s absolutely no way is russia going to try and invade europe. It would be an utter disaster if they tried.
What is the argument here, that we should abandon neutrality now so we are definitely seen as an enemy because we could possibly be seen as one in the future?
So I’m expected to believe, a Russian invasion force leaves Russia, goes all the way out to Ireland and invades us. Ireland, the Island on the opposite side of England, and Russia the country thousands of miles away with all of Europe in between.
Can some of you military experts just quickly take a look at a map, just explain the tactics to us.
The tactic that would see a large invasion force leave a country thousands of miles away and get to us so fast nobody noticed and just watched it happen.
Honestly a bizarre bit of mental gymnastics to consider it.
By the time or reason they’d waste invading Ireland we’d already have to be deep in a continent wide conflict or entering one. They’d have to already have attacked the UK, probably Sweden/Denmark etc.
At that point if we’re the last remaining hill to take I can see it, but the barmy notion that Russia would invade Ireland, for the love of god, can some of you consider taking medication.
Russia isn’t going to invade Ireland fucking hell why are these freaks so obsessed with this???
Of course not, but even if we properly funded our military we could still do fuck all to stop them
Either way it still comes back to relying on our neighbours for defence