It would be interesting to know what is their haplogroup, but there are about 30 people who claim to be their descendants, each with a different haplogroup…
True_Fake_Mongolia on
This kind of image is extremely misleading. It’s tantamount to saying that only the Safavid family has a diverse bloodline, while the Caucasians and Mazanders who marry them are of pure blood.
YogurtclosetWise4357 on
Safavids where of kurdish origin who married turkoman and over time became turks
kurdechanian on
Bullshit lmao
YogurtclosetWise4357 on
Yes i know i meant the fathers side were kurds
dondurma155 on
Amazing. Now do it for ottomans
Zealousideal_Belt702 on
The moment blue became small, the kingdom started to decline
cedrichadjian on
Very reductive and oversimplified chart
1) It gives fake precision (percentages) that no historian could possibly calculate for 16th–17th-century rulers.
2) The Safavid dynasty’s origins are mixed and debated, not neatly divisible into “Turcoman / Kurdish / Greek / Georgian” percentages.
3) Most scholars agree the founding family came from Ardabil, likely of Kurdish or Iranian stock who later adopted a Turkic dialect.
4) Shah Ismail I, the founder, wrote poetry in Azerbaijani Turkic but had a Pontic Greek mother (a Byzantine princess).
5) The Safavid military (Qizilbash) was mainly Turkoman tribal, while the bureaucracy and culture were deeply Persian.
6) Later shahs married Georgian, Circassian, and Armenian women, so the royal bloodline became increasingly Caucasian-Iranian-Turkic mixed.
7) The state officially used Persian for administration and identity, while the rulers often spoke Turkic at home.
8) Ethnic identity then didn’t mean what it does now; people’s language, tribe, religion, and loyalty mattered more than “blood percentage.”
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It would be interesting to know what is their haplogroup, but there are about 30 people who claim to be their descendants, each with a different haplogroup…
This kind of image is extremely misleading. It’s tantamount to saying that only the Safavid family has a diverse bloodline, while the Caucasians and Mazanders who marry them are of pure blood.
Safavids where of kurdish origin who married turkoman and over time became turks
Bullshit lmao
Yes i know i meant the fathers side were kurds
Amazing. Now do it for ottomans
The moment blue became small, the kingdom started to decline
Very reductive and oversimplified chart
1) It gives fake precision (percentages) that no historian could possibly calculate for 16th–17th-century rulers.
2) The Safavid dynasty’s origins are mixed and debated, not neatly divisible into “Turcoman / Kurdish / Greek / Georgian” percentages.
3) Most scholars agree the founding family came from Ardabil, likely of Kurdish or Iranian stock who later adopted a Turkic dialect.
4) Shah Ismail I, the founder, wrote poetry in Azerbaijani Turkic but had a Pontic Greek mother (a Byzantine princess).
5) The Safavid military (Qizilbash) was mainly Turkoman tribal, while the bureaucracy and culture were deeply Persian.
6) Later shahs married Georgian, Circassian, and Armenian women, so the royal bloodline became increasingly Caucasian-Iranian-Turkic mixed.
7) The state officially used Persian for administration and identity, while the rulers often spoke Turkic at home.
8) Ethnic identity then didn’t mean what it does now; people’s language, tribe, religion, and loyalty mattered more than “blood percentage.”