EU verlangt von Großbritannien eine Einzahlung in den Haushalt als Teil des „Neustarts“ der Beziehungen
https://www.ft.com/content/89635a56-1436-498c-bded-f185342ad619
Von Low_Map4314
EU verlangt von Großbritannien eine Einzahlung in den Haushalt als Teil des „Neustarts“ der Beziehungen
https://www.ft.com/content/89635a56-1436-498c-bded-f185342ad619
Von Low_Map4314
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The relationship was „reset“ with the withdrawal. Now let’s fucking cooperate instead of this tit-for-tat bullshit. We need each other.
Article text because paywall:
> Brussels is pressing the UK to pay into the EU budget for the first time since leaving the bloc in a demand that has engulfed the post-Brexit “reset” in a fresh round of diplomatic recrimination.
> EU member states will on Friday discuss how they want London to contribute to the bloc’s regional levelling up funds as the price for dropping checks on animal and plant products and allowing cheaper energy trading, arguing that the UK should pay as Norway, Switzerland and other partners do.
> “Third countries that want access to the EU internal market pay,” said an EU diplomat. “You can’t have the benefits of membership when you are not a member.”
> The EU demands reflect the growing tension between the two sides just six months after UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen promised a “historic” reset of relations at a summit in Windsor.
> EU diplomats have questioned the “good faith” of the UK as negotiations also stumble in other key areas, including how to deliver an agreement on a “youth experience scheme” to enable young people to work and travel.
> EU diplomats say London is dragging its feet over the issue of youth mobility, which is a key demand from Brussels but has been contentious for the UK government as it tries to reduce net migration.
The UK also agreed at the summit to “work towards” rejoining the EU’s Erasmus+ student exchange programme, but diplomats familiar with the talks said London was demanding a 50 per cent discount to participate.
> “It has really pissed people off and raised questions about the UK’s good faith in participating in the entire process,” one said.
The UK has also argued the youth experience scheme should only be a “memorandum of understanding” — as is the case with the UK’s other youth mobility deals — rather than a legal text appended to the existing EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement.
> The UK’s approach runs counter to the EU’s negotiating mandate for youth mobility, which explicitly rules out what it calls “a ‘soft law’ instrument” like an MoU, instead demanding a “binding” formal international agreement.
> Naomi Smith, chief executive of Best for Britain, a pro-EU lobby group, said that while tough negotiations were expected, both sides must stick to their clear commitments to reach a deal.
“It’s high time both sides delivered on the promises made at the summit in May, from defence to agrifood, but chiefly, by giving young people across the continent the unparalleled opportunities of living, studying and working across borders,” she added.
> Other areas of the “reset” are also proving contentious, including a deal to re-link EU and UK energy markets and the UK’s participation in the EU’s €150bn SAFE defence loan scheme.
The commission has demanded that London pay up to €6.5bn to allow UK companies to benefit from the Security Action for Europe (SAFE) for joint defence projects — a possibility unlocked by the Defence and Security Pact agreed by both sides in May.
>“Third countries that want access to the EU internal market pay,” said an EU diplomat. “You can’t have the benefits of membership when you are not a member.”
The UK is getting the same access to the EU internal market as Canada after Canada signed the CETA. It is not getting any member benefits that regular EU members get.
>Brussels is pressing the UK to pay into the EU budget for the first time since leaving the bloc in a demand that has engulfed the post-Brexit “reset” in a fresh round of diplomatic recrimination.
Guess there is a UK sized budget hole that needs to be filled…
Things like this make me sure reform will win the next election
Labour needs to get a fucking grip and stop making life worse for British people because there’s no money well also giving money to other countries
If my taxs go up to pay for this I’m just not voting next election
>UK’s participation in the EU’s €150bn SAFE defence loan scheme. The commission has demanded that London pay up to €6.5bn to allow UK companies to benefit from the Security Action for Europe (SAFE) for joint defence projects
And how much of that €150bn is going to be spent with UK firms to demand a €6.5bn participation fee?
Take it from the Farage’s, Johnson’s and the Reese Mogg’s who made a truck load of money from their deception
I honestly cannot understand the thought process of these EU diplomats in a way that reflects well on them. I doubt they’re stupid enough to think this would result in agreement or that they’re unaware of how well this would be received by the public (only positively by those who rabidly support them already).
Being less charitable, it seems like petty revenge or trying to profit through destroying any ideas of rejoining. In either case, to the wider detriment (inside and outside of EU).
Nope. We pay in then we get full benefits.
I want to return, but Europe taking this position is NOT going to get us to return if that is their end goal.
Wtf it’s not a deal to make a reset in the relationship
Every country that wants access to the EU market has to gain it through collaborating in the budget.
Switzerland does it, Iceland does it and others aswell.
This is not viewed as a good position because you spend in the EU budget but you don’t have any saying in the decisions made in the EU, if you want to have a word you have to join.
It’s not retaliation nor anything to be with a deal to make a reset in the relationship, they decided to be out of EU, now they are treated as a country outside of the EU, like all the others, it was their decision.
The UK just needs to step away from this, and probably the European defence agreement as a whole. It’s not going to work, may as well leave them to it.
The UK needs to look at this as any other business transaction, do we get equal or greater value than the money we would put in?
Can anyone clarify if the UK would be joining an existing scheme and if so, what is called? Or is it a more bespoke, transactional approach, eg you can have x but it will cost y?
I think the UK currently prefers a less committal, no-strings attached approach than the EU, but that’s fine. At least they are discussing it and working it out, and I’m sure will be able to find a compromise. Better than can be said for some of the recent behaviour from our other NATO ‚allies‘.
They can bugger right off
Maaan fuck you. Our payment was not letting Germany take over the world twice !
The agreement is not just trade. It’s also the access of UK students to exchanges, UK companies to joint defence projects, UK’s youth access to the EU’s labor market, UK’s access to our energy system
But of course, the UK doesn’t want to pay for anything, wants to help their companies by (unfair?) state aid, wants the UK’s companies not to adhere to environmental demands (which ofc is unfair to EU companies that do).
It’s not just about market access; it’s about fair competition and fair payment for allowing UK’s migrants into the EU
It was always the case that we should have been paying for access to the single market instead of the nonsense the tories arranged.
This is just more fallout from their incompetence.
We should have never left. It’s turned into such a ball ache it’s just not been worth the grief. I’m sick of even hearing about it, life was simpler when we were in the EU and that’s the end of it. Yes there were issues, but I firmly believe things were better.
The UK would like to pick which countries it wants access to, like France, for the youth schemes. That’s just not possible. Like, imagine the EU asks you for a youth scheme for the Ldn region only, but no other UK people can come.. like wtf? That’s just rude and picking only the „coolest“ areas.. Ofc the EU won’t agree with that.
Mentioned cooperation areas – defense, education exchanges, (localized) youth mobility, even greater market access, and so on – show that the deal the UK wants almost the EU membership. Ofc, the EU realizes this and won’t allow the UK not to pay. Countries that have such close deals, shattered into many deals, like Switzerland, pay too.
It’s just sneaky for the UK to demand more without paying. The UK has an alright deal at the moment, where the EU conceded quite some in the past.
Also, the EU does a lot for the UK. Frontex defends EU borders – does the UK pay? Probs not. The EU makes all these super expensive deals with Turkey, Tunisia to lower migration – does the UK pay? Probs not. BUT THE UK PROFITS from all the EU’s work, yet it complains for many years, demanding special treatment on every policy..
The EU time and time again has proven itself to be incapable for doing anything other than seeking its pound of flesh even after years and years and EU sentiment rising in the UK. And this is with an EU favourable goverment. Make it make sense.
All the criticism of American behaviour and how unjust it is and all they do is roll over for the US and demand essentially the same of the UK.
Is this the behaviour of an ally or adversary?
Oh well, no reset then. This would be political suicide for the party even if it made sense, which it does not. As others have said here already, we aren’t getting more then others already have in this „reset“ yet are expected to pay into their budget.
Why does the UK need to participate in this EU defence fund anyway?
We should be able to afford to pay for our own defence.
And we can cooperate through NATO, it doesn’t need to have anything to do with the EU.
Centralized country could never…
If the EU can explain why we need it, we’ll listen. Otherwise, jog on.
Reading through this thread, as someone that does not hold a herring in this auction, it is difficult to see how the UK can be reconciled in any meaningful way with the EU.
On the whole, it seems more or less a cultural thing, the English are at their core are a shop-keeping nation, and in the UK the English hold the political power due to population. Everything will be about money, and I don’t think the majority in England will feel a connection to a European project.
It is a pity for both parties, as the EU and the UK would be stronger together, but if there is no common ground, well what can you do?
We are currently defending their Eastern border out of good will. If they would prefer a more transactional relationship then I’m sure we can start billing them for it.