Affordability/ infrastructure issue, not interest issue. Protectionist policies from American automakers and certain government policies don’t help
KingRabbit_ on
I wonder how many uber-progressives soured on the Tesla brand over the last 9 months thanks to Ketamine Musk’s antics and erstwhile Trump-ass kissing.
portstrix on
As a condo resident (can’t charge at home) and someone who occasionally does long-distance trips (not convenient to wait around for an EV charge versus just quickly filling up gas tank), I never had any interest, and never will unless these things can go 1000 km, and charge in 10 minutes or less wherever I want (including any random small town restaurant where I want to choose to stop and eat).
Toyota and the other Japanese car makers were right along – they said from the beginning that 100% EVs are not the solution, and will not have enough practicality or penetration in the North American market where people drive longer distances for road trips – their focus has always been on improving hybrid technology, where they do have batteries for city or low-speed driving, but a traditional internal combustion engine & gas tank will always be there for practicality, convenience, and longer distance trips.
j821c on
Musk destroying Tesla’s image didn’t help but more importantly, I think the number of people who were interested and also who can afford a 60k+ vehicle is starting to dry up. If brand new EVs were 25-30k, you’d see a lot more on the road I’m sure
Timely-Profile1865 on
People are not losing interest, they are facing impediments in the market place.
New tech comes along and it starts out be being in demand, expensive and has bugs to iron out but the thought is over time it gets better, easier to access and much cheaper.
When governments actively suppress some of these things with their polices to appease certain industries and voters the tech stalls or gets to be less in demand.
BeaverBoyBaxter on
The cheapest EV in Canada is $40,000 and it’s a fiat 500. So it probably has more to do with that.
We just bought a new car and desperately wanted an EV or PHEV and every single option was outside of our price range. So its kind of infuriating to me when the Canadian government and auto sector is like „why isn’t anyone buying EVs?!?!“
MisterDeagle on
I have to say I love my EV but I doubt I would have bought it without the incentives even when gas was 2 bucks. Beyond the sticker price the other problem was lacking charging infra vs range of the vehicle. If you plan on any long drives you can’t get an EV with less than 400km range. You lose a ton of range driving 110 on the highway and the chargers are 200km apart in some spots. Forget about trying that in the winter.
Thankfully most of the „affordable“ EVs are capable of that range but gas is 1.40 now vs 2.20, the incentives are gone, carbon tax is dead, and a fuel efficient ICE vehicle can be had for half the price.
It’s a tough sell now even if they are nicer to own and drive.
kathygeissbanks on
We’re a single vehicle household and drive an EV. I love our EV.
HOWEVER.
They’re a giant PITA to take out on road trips. I do most of my commuting in the cities so this isn’t too much of an issue, but if I were someone that travelled frequently by road, I would not get an EV. Our infrastructure for fast charging needs to improve before EVs are widely adopted.
sabres_guy on
No. We are losing patience.
Losing patience waiting for affordable options.
Losing patience waiting for more public charging infrastructure (condo and apartment parking lots mainly)
NateFisher22 on
They are not affordable, straight up. The average income was 55k this year. The median income was roughly 40k. The average new EV price was 60-70k. It’s outrageous
vafrow on
I have an EV and love it. But the EV experience is vastly different from those who have accees to home charging and those who don’t. And the usage case for an EV works for a lot of people but its not well communicated.
What’s often lost in the dialogue about EVs in Canada is how cheap overnight electricity is. Much is made about credits and subsidies at purchase, but in Canada, with access to low overnight rates for charging, the cost of electricity versus cost of fuel in an ICE vehicle is in the 10-20% range. I drive a lot, about 2000 km a month. My annual savings on gas is about $2500-3000.
Not everyone is able to pay $10-12K more for a vehicle even if the downstream savings will be recoup the initial investment well before the end life of the vehicle. But many people can, but I don’t think its well articulated how much there is to be saved.
I get a lot of questions about my vehicle, often from people interested, but the biggest concern is the battery life. They hear horror stories of early EVs having eroding batteries that cost a fortune to replace. But all research on my car right now is that battery life isn’t an issue. Modern EVs are retaining their life longer than expected. But they’re usually very surprised at how little it costs to charge at home.
Plagmar on
For me, although I don’t own one, is the infrastructure just isn’t where it needs to be. Our son and DIL own one and on a trip to Oshawa and back to Ottawa, several charging stations were out of order. When they finally found one, they sat for 45+ minutes while it charged up. They need better maintenance and more charging stations.
Zarxon on
I think it would be price in this economy. My next new vehicle purchase will be a PHEV, but right now I am just keeping my old caravan running for as long as I can.
babyLays on
China deployed some of the most aggressive EV strategies in the world – basically incentivizing people to buy EVs thru generous subsidies and also restricting access to conventional cars through its license plate system.
This has resulted in a strong manufacturing industry in China, as they maintain a strong lead on EV manufacturing across the world. This isn’t just an economically sound to keep a workforce employed – it’s also a matter of national security, as it limits their demand for oil/gas from other nations.
The west is laughably failing behind.
FellowHuman74567537 on
I want an EV, but they are expensive and the wait list is long, in the meantime I still gotta get from A to B so an ICE car is kinda all I can do.
RobsonSt on
EVs are heavy, disposable gadgets. Their costings (purchase, maintenance, repair, resale), and environmental harms (over entire life cycle) have simply been slid to different parts of the scale than gas vehicles, a huge marketing benefit to gullible users.
‚Zero Emission‘ is fake. Factor in costs of energy and mining and manufacturing, studies show carbon footprint of an EV is worse than a diesel vehicle. A single battery demands massive resources — 12 tons of lithium ore, 5 tons of cobalt minerals, 3 tons of nickel ore, and 12 tons of copper ore. Roughly 250 tons of soil must be moved to yield small amounts of these metals. Each battery requires hundreds of pounds of aluminum, steel, plastic, and graphite. Giant Caterpillar machines used for EV mining burn hundreds of gallons of diesel every 12 hours.
Massive industrial mining and processing sites, particularly in China and Mongolia, have left vast landscapes of serious air, water, and soil contamination. Lithium leach field so toxic that a bird landing on it dies within minutes. Cheaper materials from China or Africa are often mined by child or forced labor.
UniverseBear on
Mate I’m driving a rusty 2009 Toyota corolla and I can barely afford to keep it on the road. I won’t have an ev until 2040 and it’ll probably be one sold this year.
Crabbyrob on
I have interest in it. But the reality is I cannot afford an EV. And If I could, the building I live in is almost 50 years old and doesn’t have any charging stations, and there isn’t going to be any installed any time soon.
xxxdarkhorsexxx on
It doesn’t help that the governments are actively trying to kill ev’s. Danielle smith especially, she has killed alternative energy in Alberta.
Nothing is wrong with still using oil and gas, both serve certain purposes. More variability in the market is good
ImperialPotentate on
The EVs are too expensive and there is not widespread charging infrastructure. Also: a large number of people live in apartments/condo buildings where charging at home is not currently an option, thus making an EV a complete non-starter.
ptwonline on
Everyone buys SUVs and trucks now. Get more EV versions of those at similar price points to hybrids or ICE versions and you’ll probably see a good uptick in EV sales.
xeenexus on
A big problem is the rebate uncertainty. The federal rebate has ended, and the gov’t has made announcements that it is supposed to come back in some fashion. However, there’s been no news on this. I was expecting something in the budget, but crickets. Tell us when it’s coming back, or if it’s cancelled for good, but just make a call so we can move on.
Ordinary_Narwhal_516 on
Cars are like $5-10k more than they were a few years ago. I’m somewhat in the market and can’t afford to think electric right now because I can barely afford to think ICE.
RoastMasterShawn on
I’m losing interest because of the price. The cheapest EV I can get that fits my lifestyle with a base model is like $40k. Something I’d actually want to get is closer to $50-60k.
Bring in BYD. I’d buy an EV immediately if I could get one for like $25k.
youngboomergal on
I think even with rebates this has always been a niche market for those who have the extra financial resources, in these turbulent times the average buyer isn’t willing (or able) to spend more for intangible benefits.
Wybert-the-Scribe on
The current offerings are misaligned with out preferred vehicle type and price-points. Simple as. American manufacturers have essentially price-fixed a false floor on the market in order to maximize profit.
If we remove our protectionism on this consumer category, we would be flooded with good-quality and affordable electric options from Asia and, to a lesser extent, Europe.
So, what do we do? Prop up our remaining domestic manufacturing despite it already shifting to the US because of Trump’s Tariffs? Or, do we open our markets? That’s the only real question this article should be asking.
sandy154_4 on
I haven’t lost interest, but what is holding me back:
1) I’ve read of several significant scientific developments to improve EV batteries and I’d like to wait for them to hit the market
2) The development of the infrastructure isn’t coming along as fast as I’d like.
3) No place to rapid-charge in my condo
VirtualBridge7 on
I would gladly buy an EV, but not having dedicated charger in my parking spot, not even L1 in my condominium is a major show stopper. The way things look there is no way that chargers will ever be installed – they are just too costly. Even with subsidies, installing even lower power L2 charger (6KW) will cost at least 10k to 15k each. There is no way it will ever be voted for by the majority (or perhaps even 75%) of owners. I also do not think that half-measures like having a couple of chargers per entire strata is the solution – it will not scale for 100% EV penetration.
Happyman321 on
Fam we never had it. It was a very forced interested out of fear of being unable to do anything else and government pushes in companies.
There’s always going to be some who prefer an EV and as the technology progresses more will. (not looking good for near future battery life technology tbh but I’m sure there’s other ways to optimize)
But it would naturally be a pretty gradual switch over to EVs for many. A lot of people’s deciding factor was the anticipation of being forced an EV in 5 years anyways.
Thankfully this sentiment seems to be fading a bit and we can (hopefully) allow the transition to happen more naturally and force EVs to price themselves into the market a bit better(the good ones anyway)
I’m also smoking and sort of talking out of my ass rn so idk.
Edit: pretty sure I’m on to something
Edit2: also people who like buying/we’re gonna buy EVs probably have by now. I’d expect a bit of a drop after the initial wave of hype as the repeat buyers just keep the percentage roughly same and you have the odd switching over buyer to bump the number up here and there.
thedandyandy21 on
They’re expensive as fuck what kind of statement is this
Bring in Chinese evs. fuck the US and their race to the bottom
WeightImaginary2632 on
I’ll buy a Hybrid as a regular EV is a no go. Too unreliable when it comes to charging stations. Not to mention our climate is not the best for EVs, especially the winter, and the price is just way too expensive.
Oxjrnine on
Good grief. Everyone is overthinking this.
They cost less to run but way more to buy. We would love a car that runs on pennies a day but we don’t have the upfront capital or access to that much credit
shakrbttle on
I want an EV so bad, but they’re so flippin’ expensive, and then you have to install a charger.
Meanwhile, my 2019 Crosstrek gives me 7L/100k, and is paid off.
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Affordability/ infrastructure issue, not interest issue. Protectionist policies from American automakers and certain government policies don’t help
I wonder how many uber-progressives soured on the Tesla brand over the last 9 months thanks to Ketamine Musk’s antics and erstwhile Trump-ass kissing.
As a condo resident (can’t charge at home) and someone who occasionally does long-distance trips (not convenient to wait around for an EV charge versus just quickly filling up gas tank), I never had any interest, and never will unless these things can go 1000 km, and charge in 10 minutes or less wherever I want (including any random small town restaurant where I want to choose to stop and eat).
Toyota and the other Japanese car makers were right along – they said from the beginning that 100% EVs are not the solution, and will not have enough practicality or penetration in the North American market where people drive longer distances for road trips – their focus has always been on improving hybrid technology, where they do have batteries for city or low-speed driving, but a traditional internal combustion engine & gas tank will always be there for practicality, convenience, and longer distance trips.
Musk destroying Tesla’s image didn’t help but more importantly, I think the number of people who were interested and also who can afford a 60k+ vehicle is starting to dry up. If brand new EVs were 25-30k, you’d see a lot more on the road I’m sure
People are not losing interest, they are facing impediments in the market place.
New tech comes along and it starts out be being in demand, expensive and has bugs to iron out but the thought is over time it gets better, easier to access and much cheaper.
When governments actively suppress some of these things with their polices to appease certain industries and voters the tech stalls or gets to be less in demand.
The cheapest EV in Canada is $40,000 and it’s a fiat 500. So it probably has more to do with that.
We just bought a new car and desperately wanted an EV or PHEV and every single option was outside of our price range. So its kind of infuriating to me when the Canadian government and auto sector is like „why isn’t anyone buying EVs?!?!“
I have to say I love my EV but I doubt I would have bought it without the incentives even when gas was 2 bucks. Beyond the sticker price the other problem was lacking charging infra vs range of the vehicle. If you plan on any long drives you can’t get an EV with less than 400km range. You lose a ton of range driving 110 on the highway and the chargers are 200km apart in some spots. Forget about trying that in the winter.
Thankfully most of the „affordable“ EVs are capable of that range but gas is 1.40 now vs 2.20, the incentives are gone, carbon tax is dead, and a fuel efficient ICE vehicle can be had for half the price.
It’s a tough sell now even if they are nicer to own and drive.
We’re a single vehicle household and drive an EV. I love our EV.
HOWEVER.
They’re a giant PITA to take out on road trips. I do most of my commuting in the cities so this isn’t too much of an issue, but if I were someone that travelled frequently by road, I would not get an EV. Our infrastructure for fast charging needs to improve before EVs are widely adopted.
No. We are losing patience.
Losing patience waiting for affordable options.
Losing patience waiting for more public charging infrastructure (condo and apartment parking lots mainly)
They are not affordable, straight up. The average income was 55k this year. The median income was roughly 40k. The average new EV price was 60-70k. It’s outrageous
I have an EV and love it. But the EV experience is vastly different from those who have accees to home charging and those who don’t. And the usage case for an EV works for a lot of people but its not well communicated.
What’s often lost in the dialogue about EVs in Canada is how cheap overnight electricity is. Much is made about credits and subsidies at purchase, but in Canada, with access to low overnight rates for charging, the cost of electricity versus cost of fuel in an ICE vehicle is in the 10-20% range. I drive a lot, about 2000 km a month. My annual savings on gas is about $2500-3000.
Not everyone is able to pay $10-12K more for a vehicle even if the downstream savings will be recoup the initial investment well before the end life of the vehicle. But many people can, but I don’t think its well articulated how much there is to be saved.
I get a lot of questions about my vehicle, often from people interested, but the biggest concern is the battery life. They hear horror stories of early EVs having eroding batteries that cost a fortune to replace. But all research on my car right now is that battery life isn’t an issue. Modern EVs are retaining their life longer than expected. But they’re usually very surprised at how little it costs to charge at home.
For me, although I don’t own one, is the infrastructure just isn’t where it needs to be. Our son and DIL own one and on a trip to Oshawa and back to Ottawa, several charging stations were out of order. When they finally found one, they sat for 45+ minutes while it charged up. They need better maintenance and more charging stations.
I think it would be price in this economy. My next new vehicle purchase will be a PHEV, but right now I am just keeping my old caravan running for as long as I can.
China deployed some of the most aggressive EV strategies in the world – basically incentivizing people to buy EVs thru generous subsidies and also restricting access to conventional cars through its license plate system.
This has resulted in a strong manufacturing industry in China, as they maintain a strong lead on EV manufacturing across the world. This isn’t just an economically sound to keep a workforce employed – it’s also a matter of national security, as it limits their demand for oil/gas from other nations.
The west is laughably failing behind.
I want an EV, but they are expensive and the wait list is long, in the meantime I still gotta get from A to B so an ICE car is kinda all I can do.
EVs are heavy, disposable gadgets. Their costings (purchase, maintenance, repair, resale), and environmental harms (over entire life cycle) have simply been slid to different parts of the scale than gas vehicles, a huge marketing benefit to gullible users.
‚Zero Emission‘ is fake. Factor in costs of energy and mining and manufacturing, studies show carbon footprint of an EV is worse than a diesel vehicle. A single battery demands massive resources — 12 tons of lithium ore, 5 tons of cobalt minerals, 3 tons of nickel ore, and 12 tons of copper ore. Roughly 250 tons of soil must be moved to yield small amounts of these metals. Each battery requires hundreds of pounds of aluminum, steel, plastic, and graphite. Giant Caterpillar machines used for EV mining burn hundreds of gallons of diesel every 12 hours.
Massive industrial mining and processing sites, particularly in China and Mongolia, have left vast landscapes of serious air, water, and soil contamination. Lithium leach field so toxic that a bird landing on it dies within minutes. Cheaper materials from China or Africa are often mined by child or forced labor.
Mate I’m driving a rusty 2009 Toyota corolla and I can barely afford to keep it on the road. I won’t have an ev until 2040 and it’ll probably be one sold this year.
I have interest in it. But the reality is I cannot afford an EV. And If I could, the building I live in is almost 50 years old and doesn’t have any charging stations, and there isn’t going to be any installed any time soon.
It doesn’t help that the governments are actively trying to kill ev’s. Danielle smith especially, she has killed alternative energy in Alberta.
Nothing is wrong with still using oil and gas, both serve certain purposes. More variability in the market is good
The EVs are too expensive and there is not widespread charging infrastructure. Also: a large number of people live in apartments/condo buildings where charging at home is not currently an option, thus making an EV a complete non-starter.
Everyone buys SUVs and trucks now. Get more EV versions of those at similar price points to hybrids or ICE versions and you’ll probably see a good uptick in EV sales.
A big problem is the rebate uncertainty. The federal rebate has ended, and the gov’t has made announcements that it is supposed to come back in some fashion. However, there’s been no news on this. I was expecting something in the budget, but crickets. Tell us when it’s coming back, or if it’s cancelled for good, but just make a call so we can move on.
Cars are like $5-10k more than they were a few years ago. I’m somewhat in the market and can’t afford to think electric right now because I can barely afford to think ICE.
I’m losing interest because of the price. The cheapest EV I can get that fits my lifestyle with a base model is like $40k. Something I’d actually want to get is closer to $50-60k.
Bring in BYD. I’d buy an EV immediately if I could get one for like $25k.
I think even with rebates this has always been a niche market for those who have the extra financial resources, in these turbulent times the average buyer isn’t willing (or able) to spend more for intangible benefits.
The current offerings are misaligned with out preferred vehicle type and price-points. Simple as. American manufacturers have essentially price-fixed a false floor on the market in order to maximize profit.
If we remove our protectionism on this consumer category, we would be flooded with good-quality and affordable electric options from Asia and, to a lesser extent, Europe.
So, what do we do? Prop up our remaining domestic manufacturing despite it already shifting to the US because of Trump’s Tariffs? Or, do we open our markets? That’s the only real question this article should be asking.
I haven’t lost interest, but what is holding me back:
1) I’ve read of several significant scientific developments to improve EV batteries and I’d like to wait for them to hit the market
2) The development of the infrastructure isn’t coming along as fast as I’d like.
3) No place to rapid-charge in my condo
I would gladly buy an EV, but not having dedicated charger in my parking spot, not even L1 in my condominium is a major show stopper. The way things look there is no way that chargers will ever be installed – they are just too costly. Even with subsidies, installing even lower power L2 charger (6KW) will cost at least 10k to 15k each. There is no way it will ever be voted for by the majority (or perhaps even 75%) of owners. I also do not think that half-measures like having a couple of chargers per entire strata is the solution – it will not scale for 100% EV penetration.
Fam we never had it. It was a very forced interested out of fear of being unable to do anything else and government pushes in companies.
There’s always going to be some who prefer an EV and as the technology progresses more will. (not looking good for near future battery life technology tbh but I’m sure there’s other ways to optimize)
But it would naturally be a pretty gradual switch over to EVs for many. A lot of people’s deciding factor was the anticipation of being forced an EV in 5 years anyways.
Thankfully this sentiment seems to be fading a bit and we can (hopefully) allow the transition to happen more naturally and force EVs to price themselves into the market a bit better(the good ones anyway)
I’m also smoking and sort of talking out of my ass rn so idk.
Edit: pretty sure I’m on to something
Edit2: also people who like buying/we’re gonna buy EVs probably have by now. I’d expect a bit of a drop after the initial wave of hype as the repeat buyers just keep the percentage roughly same and you have the odd switching over buyer to bump the number up here and there.
They’re expensive as fuck what kind of statement is this
Bring in Chinese evs. fuck the US and their race to the bottom
I’ll buy a Hybrid as a regular EV is a no go. Too unreliable when it comes to charging stations. Not to mention our climate is not the best for EVs, especially the winter, and the price is just way too expensive.
Good grief. Everyone is overthinking this.
They cost less to run but way more to buy. We would love a car that runs on pennies a day but we don’t have the upfront capital or access to that much credit
I want an EV so bad, but they’re so flippin’ expensive, and then you have to install a charger.
Meanwhile, my 2019 Crosstrek gives me 7L/100k, and is paid off.