When I lurk at NDP subs, they talk so much about Palestine. Do plumbers and factory workers care about Palestine?
foggybiscuit on
I’m generally an NDP voter, but the constant focus on social and foreign policy issues is becoming a problem for the party.
I’m very anti genocide, but making it the main message means leaving the rest of the issues to other parties to deal with.
Yes, the NDP have good positions on worker rights, but if they can’t sell those positions or ideas to the public as a whole, it doesn’t do them any good. Like it or not, focusing on social issues is turning off a lot of blue collar folks and makes the party look like it caters to urban leftists instead of workers.
Perception is everything in politics and the NDP needs to market itself much better than it has been.
Throwawayhair66392 on
I mean, one side is telling you that you should be able to afford a house if you work for it. The other side is telling you to accept living in a shoebox with paper thin walls where you can hear your neighbour taking their morning shit.
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Harbinger2001 on
The NDP became the party of the university educated and left the working class to have their brains rotted by social media. This left them ripe for conservatives.
Longtimelurker2575 on
Was there not an article about a potential leader criticizing the party for having a “purity test” which was alienating people? Then a bunch of other members criticized her immediately for it? Seems pretty apparent that their message is not reaching the blue collar demographic.
sstelmaschuk on
Fundamentally – it’s a problem of personal perception.
Ask most Canadians how they classify themselves, and chances are the vast majority will say they’re middle class. (Outliers to the extremes on both ends will exist though.)
So when the NDP talks about “working class” it is talking to a group of folks whose incomes range from $23k a year to upwards of $150k, because all of these “working class” folks also see themselves as some form of “middle class”.
Add to this the problem that most folks who are working – 40 hours a week, full time – are reluctant to admit they’re still struggling. Especially those in that $29-42k range.
So when the NDP comes along with policies that highlight help to those even lower than that – there’s a perception that those “middle class” folks aren’t getting any help. It’s only those below them.
Add that any one fortunate enough to be a union, likely doesn’t need to hear about public options for dental and pharmacare.
So – what messages reach those folks? “Tax cuts” and “keeping more of YOUR money.”
Until the NDP realizes we’re talking to a different level of union worker now, and that we need to tailor our policies to reach folks where they are at, it’s going to be easy pickings for slicker Tory marketing and soundbytes to convince folks they have more to offer – even if they don’t.
Labour has changed, the NDP needs to catch up to where it is – or at least, help Canadians realize where they really are in the economic scale.
Eppk on
Men’s rights and gun ownership don’t appeal to the left but do to the right. The Liberals and NDP are oblivious to these issues.
Tranter156 on
They will be back after they make things worse for a few years first. A lot of younger people aren’t interested in history and only learn by repeating mistakes. Seems the case here.
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When I lurk at NDP subs, they talk so much about Palestine. Do plumbers and factory workers care about Palestine?
I’m generally an NDP voter, but the constant focus on social and foreign policy issues is becoming a problem for the party.
I’m very anti genocide, but making it the main message means leaving the rest of the issues to other parties to deal with.
Yes, the NDP have good positions on worker rights, but if they can’t sell those positions or ideas to the public as a whole, it doesn’t do them any good. Like it or not, focusing on social issues is turning off a lot of blue collar folks and makes the party look like it caters to urban leftists instead of workers.
Perception is everything in politics and the NDP needs to market itself much better than it has been.
I mean, one side is telling you that you should be able to afford a house if you work for it. The other side is telling you to accept living in a shoebox with paper thin walls where you can hear your neighbour taking their morning shit.
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The NDP became the party of the university educated and left the working class to have their brains rotted by social media. This left them ripe for conservatives.
Was there not an article about a potential leader criticizing the party for having a “purity test” which was alienating people? Then a bunch of other members criticized her immediately for it? Seems pretty apparent that their message is not reaching the blue collar demographic.
Fundamentally – it’s a problem of personal perception.
Ask most Canadians how they classify themselves, and chances are the vast majority will say they’re middle class. (Outliers to the extremes on both ends will exist though.)
So when the NDP talks about “working class” it is talking to a group of folks whose incomes range from $23k a year to upwards of $150k, because all of these “working class” folks also see themselves as some form of “middle class”.
Add to this the problem that most folks who are working – 40 hours a week, full time – are reluctant to admit they’re still struggling. Especially those in that $29-42k range.
So when the NDP comes along with policies that highlight help to those even lower than that – there’s a perception that those “middle class” folks aren’t getting any help. It’s only those below them.
Add that any one fortunate enough to be a union, likely doesn’t need to hear about public options for dental and pharmacare.
So – what messages reach those folks? “Tax cuts” and “keeping more of YOUR money.”
Until the NDP realizes we’re talking to a different level of union worker now, and that we need to tailor our policies to reach folks where they are at, it’s going to be easy pickings for slicker Tory marketing and soundbytes to convince folks they have more to offer – even if they don’t.
Labour has changed, the NDP needs to catch up to where it is – or at least, help Canadians realize where they really are in the economic scale.
Men’s rights and gun ownership don’t appeal to the left but do to the right. The Liberals and NDP are oblivious to these issues.
They will be back after they make things worse for a few years first. A lot of younger people aren’t interested in history and only learn by repeating mistakes. Seems the case here.