Opinion: If the emerging story of European politics is rotation between the centre and the far right, that has serious implications for Britain, France and Germany. In all three countries, a struggling centrist government has the anti-system right breathing down its neck.
The lessons of the Netherlands — as well as Austria, Poland, Italy, Hungary and Slovakia — are that the ‚unthinkable‘ does happen and far-right parties can win political power. But they may not necessarily keep it, writes FT commentator Gideon Rachman.
They don’t even need to. If their supporters are braindead, ignorant or fanatical enough they’ll just go „They’re still better than the corrupt shmucks who came before them“, „But look at [insert good thing that happened during their government]“, „They would have done more if the Globalist elites didn’t constantly sabotage them!“.
Zlifbar on
They have no interest in governing. They want power and the resulting freedom to commit heinous acts.
UnhappyReason5452 on
All that ideology does is win elections by pandering to our base instinct of fear. Administrations that abuse it very quickly become dysfunctional, discordant and inept. They cannot govern with racist rhetoric, only intimidate the out group and manipulate the racists. It doesn’t seem true while we’re adrift in it, but even that has limits.
Stand tall, push back and mitigate damage. They always lose eventually.
No-Tomatillo3698 on
Yeah no shit. It’s all talk and no substance. Their place is screaming from the side line.
Denova_Vendetta on
Even if AfD wins 2029 German Federal Elections, they can’t govern because there is a majority required. The majority is 316, so they need to find a Coalition Partner to gain the majority and come to the government. But, CDU/CSU, SPD, Grüne, Die Linke, and FDP said that they won’t work with AfD/Form a coalition with them.
BSW is open to a Coalition with AfD and ready to work with them.
Alarmed_Crazy_6620 on
Extrapolating the Trump 1 vs 2 example: they eventually learn to govern and it gets worse
Normal-Stick6437 on
Turns out being good at making memes does not translate well into governing
Laricaxipeg on
Most european systems have a good electoral/government structure to avoid easy power grab by one party.
For this to happen, a real majority of people needs to support the far-right party. This is very different from US where you have bipartidarism and many gentleman agreements (that Trump is not following) for things to function properly.
And this is why many far-right party fail or will fail in governing, maybe except for Italy
Sankullo on
Most far right parties don’t have any ideas, their whole game is pointing out things and criticise them. Like some kind of captain hindsight.
Once they get into power and it is actually time to run things it becomes painfully obvious that they have no idea how to do it.
DramaticSimple4315 on
A mature parlementarian system goes a long way to rein in the anti-democratic agendas of these parties. It would have been harder for the PVV in the Netherlands to engage in dismantling democratic institutions as happened in Poland and Hungary. The blowback would have been immense from society and their coalition „partners“. They have no objective but to cripple constitutional orders to cement their power and unleash their reactionnary impulses. Tough sell when you disgust 60% of the electorate come what may.
Problem is, France and Britain have electoral systems that would greatly ease their path, as the US had. But to the contrary of the US’s last saving grace – its federalism, France and Britain are some of the most centralized countries worldwide. Reform can win in a landslide with 35% of the vote. The RN can win a qualified majority to corrupt the constitution with 35% of the vote as well. The UK has no written constitution and a supreme court of uncertain prestige. France has a presidency of monarchic attributes.
And as the example of Eastern Europe proves, once these cancerous legions have found the key, they close the door and partake in ever expanding repression.
JayR_97 on
Reform UK did well in the local elections last year and the councils they’ve been running are an absolute disaster
aspaceadventure on
I think the problem is that most far right groups are just populists. Meaning big mouths compensates for the lack of brain power and/or a plan.
Unfortunately it’s working in the polls.
BoglisMobileAcc on
The far rights biggest draw is immigration, which they don’t actually wanna solve for this very reason.
Path_of_Hegemony on
Well, maybe the far right can’t govern.
However, the current establishment can’t govern worth shit.
I’ll take my chances if it means less islam and less rapey/murdery immigrants in my country and in EU as a whole.
MBouh on
Oh yeah, it definitely didn’t work in the 1930s… Don’t worry guys, the far right is harmless…
First-Ad4522 on
Are we even surprised? It´s easy to win votes by being a populist, but actually governing and coming up with solutions is a whole different story.
Efficient_Resist_287 on
Far Right just wants power to create civil disorder and acquire riches for self or like minded. I always find it funny how people are so easily persuaded to fall for this cheap xenophobia masked as nationalism or patriotism.
Even if Far Right was to gain absolute power, how many of you truly think a total/stop removal of all immigrants (legal or illegal) from Europe can occur in this age of instant news. I find it highly improbable…
Gibbonswing on
shocking
TrinityCodex on
no shit sherlock
wrosecrans on
There’s a rather famous example of what happens when the far right governs from the 1940’s. The country got bombed to shit, militarily occupied by enemies, and the nation state itself was disassembled and divided into several successor states.
I’m not sure any political group has ever had worse objective results from running a country since maybe Atlantis.
Excellent-Berry-2331 on
Pick your poison:
Generic Party 1 (Makes bad policy)
Generic Party 2 (Party 1 but red)
Generic Party 3 (Party 2 but green)
Generic Party 4 (Party 1 but yellow)
We Are So Very Different From These Losers Party (Very different from Generic Party, makes even worse promises than them)
We Are Totally Not Paid By Russia Party (Similar to the We Are So Very Different From These Losers Party, but has a red finish and likes Russia)
rapax on
Obviously. It’s easy to complain about a perceived problem and to get people to agree with you. It’s very difficult to fix said problem – if it even existed in the first place.
disdainfulsideeye on
They struggle to govern when they are unable to change laws to prohibit any critism of, or challenge to, their authority.
Flexuasive on
It will not be theirs to govern; they are just the obliging dogs that will lap up every drop of their Russian masters‘ run-off.
deceased_parrot on
> …but it struggles to govern
Oh wow, what a total surprise! Not that the alternatives are much better…
TreeImaginary752 on
Everyone struggles to govern, but the right wing goals are much less pro people… So you kinda see their governing problems more
BidnyZolnierzLonda on
I mean the only country that has a far right government in EU is Hungary. If we include junior partners then it’s also Italy and Slovakia.Not much to choose from.
BrokkelPiloot on
It’s all rhetoric. And they pretend to be sabotaged by the „ruling elite“. Which basically means that their „policy“ is ignoring the constitution, active treaties and the rule of law.
Divinicus1st on
What the fuck is that EU flag?
SussyMann69 on
Idk here in italy they just reached the third position for longest serving government in the history of the republic, seems pretty stable to me, more than the predecessors at least
Ok_Soft_4575 on
Because there is nothing to do.
Get rid of immigrants and deindustrialize while your at it. Live in thatched huts and stone monasteries and wage dynastic wars every 7 years.
The far right deals in fairy tales of sovereignty and some glorious past that is long dead. There is no solution for the current problems Europe has outside of restructuring the entire economy.
kirkbadaz on
Dog catches car. Then again it was been driven by Hans Moleman
TheLightDances on
Govern? They are there to make money from shameless corruption. A few also just want the attention to soothe their narcisscism. The lazy ones just want the salary. Governing is boring and difficult, so why bother? Your voters won’t check anyway, just lie and brag about a million imaginary problems you’ve solved, and they’ll cheer you on even as you ruthlessly embezzle public funds, sell out your country to the highest bidder etc.
The true believers are rare. After all, if you actually solved any of the problems, what would you use to run next time?
OliveCompetitive3002 on
The good news is that all the left-wing and centrist parties in Europe do well, proper, and everything is fine. Just a matter of faith! 🙏
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Opinion: If the emerging story of European politics is rotation between the centre and the far right, that has serious implications for Britain, France and Germany. In all three countries, a struggling centrist government has the anti-system right breathing down its neck.
The lessons of the Netherlands — as well as Austria, Poland, Italy, Hungary and Slovakia — are that the ‚unthinkable‘ does happen and far-right parties can win political power. But they may not necessarily keep it, writes FT commentator Gideon Rachman.
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They don’t even need to. If their supporters are braindead, ignorant or fanatical enough they’ll just go „They’re still better than the corrupt shmucks who came before them“, „But look at [insert good thing that happened during their government]“, „They would have done more if the Globalist elites didn’t constantly sabotage them!“.
They have no interest in governing. They want power and the resulting freedom to commit heinous acts.
All that ideology does is win elections by pandering to our base instinct of fear. Administrations that abuse it very quickly become dysfunctional, discordant and inept. They cannot govern with racist rhetoric, only intimidate the out group and manipulate the racists. It doesn’t seem true while we’re adrift in it, but even that has limits.
Stand tall, push back and mitigate damage. They always lose eventually.
Yeah no shit. It’s all talk and no substance. Their place is screaming from the side line.
Even if AfD wins 2029 German Federal Elections, they can’t govern because there is a majority required. The majority is 316, so they need to find a Coalition Partner to gain the majority and come to the government. But, CDU/CSU, SPD, Grüne, Die Linke, and FDP said that they won’t work with AfD/Form a coalition with them.
BSW is open to a Coalition with AfD and ready to work with them.
Extrapolating the Trump 1 vs 2 example: they eventually learn to govern and it gets worse
Turns out being good at making memes does not translate well into governing
Most european systems have a good electoral/government structure to avoid easy power grab by one party.
For this to happen, a real majority of people needs to support the far-right party. This is very different from US where you have bipartidarism and many gentleman agreements (that Trump is not following) for things to function properly.
And this is why many far-right party fail or will fail in governing, maybe except for Italy
Most far right parties don’t have any ideas, their whole game is pointing out things and criticise them. Like some kind of captain hindsight.
Once they get into power and it is actually time to run things it becomes painfully obvious that they have no idea how to do it.
A mature parlementarian system goes a long way to rein in the anti-democratic agendas of these parties. It would have been harder for the PVV in the Netherlands to engage in dismantling democratic institutions as happened in Poland and Hungary. The blowback would have been immense from society and their coalition „partners“. They have no objective but to cripple constitutional orders to cement their power and unleash their reactionnary impulses. Tough sell when you disgust 60% of the electorate come what may.
Problem is, France and Britain have electoral systems that would greatly ease their path, as the US had. But to the contrary of the US’s last saving grace – its federalism, France and Britain are some of the most centralized countries worldwide. Reform can win in a landslide with 35% of the vote. The RN can win a qualified majority to corrupt the constitution with 35% of the vote as well. The UK has no written constitution and a supreme court of uncertain prestige. France has a presidency of monarchic attributes.
And as the example of Eastern Europe proves, once these cancerous legions have found the key, they close the door and partake in ever expanding repression.
Reform UK did well in the local elections last year and the councils they’ve been running are an absolute disaster
I think the problem is that most far right groups are just populists. Meaning big mouths compensates for the lack of brain power and/or a plan.
Unfortunately it’s working in the polls.
The far rights biggest draw is immigration, which they don’t actually wanna solve for this very reason.
Well, maybe the far right can’t govern.
However, the current establishment can’t govern worth shit.
I’ll take my chances if it means less islam and less rapey/murdery immigrants in my country and in EU as a whole.
Oh yeah, it definitely didn’t work in the 1930s… Don’t worry guys, the far right is harmless…
Are we even surprised? It´s easy to win votes by being a populist, but actually governing and coming up with solutions is a whole different story.
Far Right just wants power to create civil disorder and acquire riches for self or like minded. I always find it funny how people are so easily persuaded to fall for this cheap xenophobia masked as nationalism or patriotism.
Even if Far Right was to gain absolute power, how many of you truly think a total/stop removal of all immigrants (legal or illegal) from Europe can occur in this age of instant news. I find it highly improbable…
shocking
no shit sherlock
There’s a rather famous example of what happens when the far right governs from the 1940’s. The country got bombed to shit, militarily occupied by enemies, and the nation state itself was disassembled and divided into several successor states.
I’m not sure any political group has ever had worse objective results from running a country since maybe Atlantis.
Pick your poison:
Generic Party 1 (Makes bad policy)
Generic Party 2 (Party 1 but red)
Generic Party 3 (Party 2 but green)
Generic Party 4 (Party 1 but yellow)
We Are So Very Different From These Losers Party (Very different from Generic Party, makes even worse promises than them)
We Are Totally Not Paid By Russia Party (Similar to the We Are So Very Different From These Losers Party, but has a red finish and likes Russia)
Obviously. It’s easy to complain about a perceived problem and to get people to agree with you. It’s very difficult to fix said problem – if it even existed in the first place.
They struggle to govern when they are unable to change laws to prohibit any critism of, or challenge to, their authority.
It will not be theirs to govern; they are just the obliging dogs that will lap up every drop of their Russian masters‘ run-off.
> …but it struggles to govern
Oh wow, what a total surprise! Not that the alternatives are much better…
Everyone struggles to govern, but the right wing goals are much less pro people… So you kinda see their governing problems more
I mean the only country that has a far right government in EU is Hungary. If we include junior partners then it’s also Italy and Slovakia.Not much to choose from.
It’s all rhetoric. And they pretend to be sabotaged by the „ruling elite“. Which basically means that their „policy“ is ignoring the constitution, active treaties and the rule of law.
What the fuck is that EU flag?
Idk here in italy they just reached the third position for longest serving government in the history of the republic, seems pretty stable to me, more than the predecessors at least
Because there is nothing to do.
Get rid of immigrants and deindustrialize while your at it. Live in thatched huts and stone monasteries and wage dynastic wars every 7 years.
The far right deals in fairy tales of sovereignty and some glorious past that is long dead. There is no solution for the current problems Europe has outside of restructuring the entire economy.
Dog catches car. Then again it was been driven by Hans Moleman
Govern? They are there to make money from shameless corruption. A few also just want the attention to soothe their narcisscism. The lazy ones just want the salary. Governing is boring and difficult, so why bother? Your voters won’t check anyway, just lie and brag about a million imaginary problems you’ve solved, and they’ll cheer you on even as you ruthlessly embezzle public funds, sell out your country to the highest bidder etc.
The true believers are rare. After all, if you actually solved any of the problems, what would you use to run next time?
The good news is that all the left-wing and centrist parties in Europe do well, proper, and everything is fine. Just a matter of faith! 🙏