Laut einer Umfrage befürwortet die britische Öffentlichkeit den Verbleib im EGMR stärker als den Austritt
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-ed-davey-human-rights-conservatives-government-b2857312.html
Von mrjohnnymac18
Laut einer Umfrage befürwortet die britische Öffentlichkeit den Verbleib im EGMR stärker als den Austritt
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-ed-davey-human-rights-conservatives-government-b2857312.html
Von mrjohnnymac18
12 Kommentare
The argument for leaving depends entirely on what it would be replaced _with_. Any arguments about ‘how we had rights before the ECHR’ or ‘we’ll sort it out afterwards’ should be rightfully treated with suspicion – particularly considering how Brexit was handled.
Draw up a clearly worded Bill of Rights for discussion with commitments from whoever is going to institute it that _that_ is what it will be. Otherwise it’s like knocking through a supporting wall and designing the extension as the house is crumbling around you.
Not really too surprising that people aren’t too keen to concede rights for the sole purpose of making it easier to target immigrants and trans people.
I’m sorry, it does sound nice but in fact 48% are against leaving, the remaining 52% in favour or undecided in equal parts. But methinks we don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, if some international laws are no longer useful, surely the lawmakers can put their heads together and amend only the outdated bits? Just a thought.
I think people are wise to the fact that if the UK really wanted to change it’s immigration strategy, the ECHR is barely a problem and isn’t stopping the UK from tightening the numbers.
Turns out ‘as long as brown people don’t have human rights, we don’t need them either’ isn’t a popular take
Leaving would be disastrous and extremely short-sighted.
It does need changing and updating to reflect current problems though.
Let the right wing media machinery work its magic and the public will be brought along to heel.
Not knowing much about the ECHR, I read a little bit about it at the weekend. I tried searching up UK cases that had gone to it.
The surprise was that a lot (most?) cases referred to the ECHR are ruled inadmissible and rejected. Of those that go to the ECHR, they actually support the UK court’s decision a lot of the time. For example, there was one case of deporting a Nigerian man who had been in the UK for 20 years, with a wife and kids here, but who was guilty of massive fraud. The ECHR supported the UK decision.
The one case I saw where the EHCR went against the UK was where we were spying on non UK citizens abroad.
This was just 20 minutes of researching so there may be more to it all but I didn’t see anything to object to personally.
Good.
ECHR protects us Joe Public from people who would exploit us even more if they had the chance to do it.
That’s because there are already options to stop immigration being a problem but the government is pushing leaving ECHR as the fix. People are not stupid, they know it is a ploy.
My understanding is that it’s never been about leaving the ECHR, it’s been about detaching from law, which will puts in the same place as the rest of Europe, ie guidelines of good and proper behaviour.
That way, when someone decides that they don’t want to be part of the social contract then we don’t need to follow it, as it is no longer law.
Ask people whether illegal immigration and our inability to return failed asylum seekers is a concern for them.
Now ask them whether they would be happy for the UK to leave the ECHR as it stands and replace it with a British Bill of Rights with all the best bits of the ECHR with none of the bits that allow the obstruction of the removals of undesirable foreign nationals by Human Rights Groups and see what they say.
The Tories and Reform have pledged to remove the UK from the ECHR if they come into power so the next election will indeed be a de-facto referendum on that issue.