I’ll accept it when I hear it gains some broader support, but it sure would help with my existential crisis. The universe is already so big, to imagine it isn’t even the real universe and someone has hardware that could run this simulation sure makes my feelings of insignificance nearly overwhelming.
HoldingThunder on
Realistically if it is or isn’t a simulation, doesn’t really make a difference.
DrBlastMaster3000 on
Dammit!
bortlip on
It seems like the [paper](https://jhap.du.ac.ir/article_488.html) confuses **proving every true statement** about a world with **simulating the world’s behavior**. Gödel/Tarski/Chaitin say any rich enough axiom system is incomplete. IE some truths can’t be proved inside it. But a simulation doesn’t need to prove global truths. It just needs to apply rules and generate states.
We already have toy universes where certain questions are undecidable, yet they’re trivially simulated step-by-step on a laptop. So “there exist undecidable facts” ≠ “you can’t simulate the world.”
They jump from “no finite set of axioms can *prove everything*” to “therefore no algorithm can *simulate everything*” without justification.
A simple counter example is Conway’s Life. It’s trivial to simulate yet there are undecidable questions about it.
GammaDeltaTheta on
Obviously this is just the Matrix hiding itself by feeding us plausible reasons why it can’t exist. The authors are probably all Agents.
TheManInTheShack on
How ridiculous. They have no clue what the reality is like or what device the simulation would even be running on. I don’t think it’s a simulation but this “mathematical proof” is ridiculous.
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I’ll accept it when I hear it gains some broader support, but it sure would help with my existential crisis. The universe is already so big, to imagine it isn’t even the real universe and someone has hardware that could run this simulation sure makes my feelings of insignificance nearly overwhelming.
Realistically if it is or isn’t a simulation, doesn’t really make a difference.
Dammit!
It seems like the [paper](https://jhap.du.ac.ir/article_488.html) confuses **proving every true statement** about a world with **simulating the world’s behavior**. Gödel/Tarski/Chaitin say any rich enough axiom system is incomplete. IE some truths can’t be proved inside it. But a simulation doesn’t need to prove global truths. It just needs to apply rules and generate states.
We already have toy universes where certain questions are undecidable, yet they’re trivially simulated step-by-step on a laptop. So “there exist undecidable facts” ≠ “you can’t simulate the world.”
They jump from “no finite set of axioms can *prove everything*” to “therefore no algorithm can *simulate everything*” without justification.
A simple counter example is Conway’s Life. It’s trivial to simulate yet there are undecidable questions about it.
Obviously this is just the Matrix hiding itself by feeding us plausible reasons why it can’t exist. The authors are probably all Agents.
How ridiculous. They have no clue what the reality is like or what device the simulation would even be running on. I don’t think it’s a simulation but this “mathematical proof” is ridiculous.