Sam Altman sagt, wenn Arbeitsplätze vernichtet würden, seien sie vielleicht nicht einmal von Anfang an „echte Arbeit“ gewesen

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/sam-altman-says-jobs-gets-143000252.html?guccounter=1

24 Kommentare

  1. From the article: You know it’s going to be good when an AI executive goes off on a tangent about “hey, what’s a job anyway!” while addressing — or failing to address — the topic of how their tech just might wipe out entire categories of human professions.

    Today’s offending party, you’ll be shocked to hear, is OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who talks about job destruction an awful lot, and usually in a pretty mealy-mouthed way.

    His latest spiel is no exception. In an interview with Rowan Cheung at OpenAI’s DevDay conference on Wednesday, Altman floated the idea that the work you do today, which might imminently be transformed or eliminated by AI, isn’t “real work.”

    The idea was brought up after Cheung invoked his favorite thought experiment of considering how a farmer half a century ago might view our current reality. “If you told a farmer fifty years ago that this magical thing called the internet is going to create a billion new jobs,” Cheung said, “he probably wouldn’t believe you.”

    In the “intelligence” era, Cheung said, a billion knowledge workers’ jobs will be threatened before new ones are created. Seemingly, Cheung’s point is that it’s not clear what jobs AI will create several decades down the line, just like how a farmer in the past wouldn’t be able to envision how the internet spawned an entire economy.

    You could probably poke a few holes in this, like why we’re comparing the future of AI’s impact to asking a farmer about the implications of another emerging technology, in a conversation with the CEO of a half-trillion dollar company that’s building the AI and who would presumably know better than most people — but point taken.

    We bring it up because Altman returns to the “farmer” analogy when he’s asked about how a billion jobs might be destroyed before new ones are realized.

    “The thing about that farmer,” Altman said, is not only that they wouldn’t believe you, but “they very likely would look at what you do and I do and say, ‘that’s not real work.’”

    This, Altman said, makes him feel “a little less worried” but “more worried in some other ways.”

    “If you’re, like, farming, you’re doing something people really need,” Altman explained. “You’re making them food, you’re keeping them alive. This is real work.” But the farmer would see our modern jobs as “playing a game to fill your time,” and therefore not a “real job.”

    “It’s very possible that if we could see those jobs of the future,” Altman said, we’d think “maybe our jobs were not as real as a farmer’s job, but it’s a lot more real than this game you’re playing to entertain yourself.”

  2. Content_Plan3411 on

    Yeah well when he gets wiped out, it’ll be okay because maybe he wasn’t a real fucking human to start with.

  3. strangescript on

    This isn’t really his take. He has stated repeatedly that he thinks a lot of the „work“ we do today wouldn’t look like „real work“ to people just a few decades ago. And he believes humans will find more kinds of this „work“ to do in the future as AI takes over aspects of our current work.

  4. Wonder if he would still believe the same thing when shareholders figure out they can replace CEOs with AI.

  5. DaSexiestManAlive on

    Seems like AI needs some more „soft power“. Gentler ways of turning up the heat on us frogs so we don’t notice the boiling water. Work is just work, as long as someone feels a pain that needs to be solved through paying for the work–it’s work. There’s no rocket scientist formula need to understand this.

    There was once work to maintain, operate, build rail cars, to get you from A to B. Same with buses. Then planes took some of those business–and yes–some of those jerbs. Heck, if we put our mind to it, planes could probably take even more of the jobs. Boats could after all float just a few feet off the water. A flock of DJI drones probably could carry mom to the supermarket, or at least carry the groceries. So things-that-fly could have pwned a lot of jobs. But we are mostly okay with it. So long as no one has to place their McMansion right in the path where planes lift off at International Airports.

    So, OpenAI would do well to exercise more soft power. Gently sell us on AI. Instead of have CEO mouth off abrasive shhh. Maybe ChatGPT 5.0 could teach[1] Sam the gentle art of ‚How To Win Friends And Influence People‘? I don’t know. Seems like Sam and OpenAI doesn’t need any EQ advice from a nerdy pleb like me.

    [1] Having used ChatGPT for a few months, I get the sense that the amount of hallucinations that it outputs would have most OpenAI employees petrified of using it for anything more serious than pointing them to some suitable real published non-hallucinating dead-trees.

  6. I hope this asshole doesn’t break his neck when he falls off his soap box.

  7. Look, automation killing labor isn’t a bad thing, it’s just a bad thing for capitalism,  because capitalism is a labor based system. 

    We could have a post-labor society in a hypothetical future, but that society is going to have to collectivize the benefits of that automation. The idea that someone is going to own the robots that scraped all of humanity’s knowledge and labor to the benefit of one dude is stupid, that’s not going to happen and even for the one guy benefitting it’s a pretty dystopian vision. 

  8. I read something about stupid Statements like this. That these tech guys say shit like this at dinner and cocktail parties. Everyone is polite and says nothing . Then they say it out in open and it sounds nuts but they aren’t used to being filtered

  9. SmoothPimp85 on

    It’s best to philosophize when you know for sure that there is no risk of ending up without a roof over your head and an empty stomach for the whole day. It wasn’t the corpses of bankers and their families that floated down California’s canals during the Great Depression, but the corpses of farmers. They couldn’t adapt to the new realities of mechanized and chemicalized agriculture, with vast tracts of land in the hands of holding companies.

  10. desteufelsbeitrag on

    If billions in „value“ can get wiped out literally over night, maybe there was no real value to begin with. Eat the rich.

  11. It’s just a matter of changing the economic system so we don’t have to sell our labor for a right to live. AI makes that technically possible.

    I would love to be able to pursue interests and relationships without the necessity of a job that takes up most of my adult life.

    There is a dialectical relationship between freedom and necessity. As necessity recedes more freedom is possible. But culture and law lag behind technical development.

  12. I’m asking all companies to subscribe to my C-Level AI for $1000/mo. What it does is say dumb shit like them, but it isn’t a pedo, and only .01% of the cost.

  13. LuckyNumbrKevin on

    I think it’s time for some French revolution-style handling of these fucking creeps.

  14. Murky-Speech2128 on

    Years into development and his latest products are a browser and image manipulation. Just a boring uninspired Dystopian hype machine .

  15. Munkeyman18290 on

    This is the wrong argument. No one is concerned with losing their job, people are concerned with losing their **livelihoods**.

    If there isn’t enough work to go around for everyone, **then we need to reduce the amount of work required to have a livelihood**.

    If we have the resources for everyone to live comfortably (we do) and dont require 40+ or more hours of labor per human, per week to create a comfortable living for everyone (this is what Sam Altman is saying here) then humans should not need to work 40 hours a week to earn a living. If what Sam Altman is saying is true, then the global hourly work week needs to be reduced to accommodate.

    We need to start having the right conversations, and it needs to start with not gaslighting working class people who have no choice but to try and find ways to earn a living in this world.

  16. vingovangovongo on

    Like being a CEO that’s being overpaid by about 100X? or 10000X in the case of Melon Husk? It’s basically his way of saying „if humans aren’t valuable to corporations, what value do they have at all?“ . I think he doesn’t get that survival instincts as a species are the reverse, and they may find that out if they keep pushing their luck.

  17. South-Attorney-5209 on

    Hes not wrong. Half my coworkers just move things from one spreadsheet to another spreadsheet. They could be easily automated out once an engineer has a little time to build the tools. Not real jobs at all. No idea what “skills” theyd list on a resume either.

  18. dread_companion on

    So by his logic, ai would be taking over jobs that are not real? So why even ‚take over them‘ or need ai if they aren’t real. I despise these tech sleazebag dweebs.

  19. LapsedVerneGagKnee on

    Are you born with the ability to be that tone-deaf, or does it come with practice?

  20. ComplaintDry1975 on

    And that kind of rhetoric is the justification for employers to reduce employees for more profit.

  21. probability_of_meme on

    First, I think he’s wrong, the job losses in reality are just corporate greed making mistakes… But otherwise, if we can automate then we should, ON THE CONDITION that all people share the gains. That’s where he loses it so he can get fucked.

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