I genuinely don’t understand what more is required to secure a manslaughter conviction here. The cyclist was on a shared use path, cycling legally and this women moved towards her, waving her arm and yelling “Get off the ****ing pavement” causing the cyclist to fall into traffic.
If that’s not enough to qualify as manslaughter then I don’t know what is.
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ibelieveinufos on
Has this lady ever expressed any remorse for what she did?
spredy123 on
I dunno, I’m as avid a cyclist as you can find and I thought it was unfair that she got time for it. She’s in the middle of the path and the cyclist barely slows down and tries to get around her on the road side on a relatively slim bit of pavement. If you’re going to cycle where people are walking and near a somewhat busy road you need to be prepared to slow down, manoeuvre cautiously to protect others and yourself or at worst, fully stop.
We want cars to look out for us, and so we should look out for people we can endanger too.
Primary-Signal-3692 on
During the trial her actions were described as “hostile gesticulation”. That shows what a joke it was.
DoubleXFemale on
Good, the whole thing has been massively blown out of proportion. I don’t think the pedestrian behaved spectacularly but I don’t think the cyclist’s death was a foreseeable “consequence”. The cyclist’s ability seemed rather poor. I think a lot of the trial by media was around the pedestrian just walking off, but you can’t take that and say it makes her more or less guilty!
no_instructions on
Being mentally disabled doesn’t absolve you of assault and manslaughter ffs
edit: she absolutely committed manslaughter because she assaulted the lady who died
FatFettle on
I really wonder whether there was any direct contact from the pedestrian.
The cyclist doesn’t come off the pavement until just after she has passed the pedestrian, you can see the pedestrian’s elbow come back into view as the cyclist passes, and you can see her body twist towards the cyclist.
Unfortunately it’s all ever so slightly out of frame and entirely the wrong angle, but given how the pedestrian has acted, and continues to act, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had shoved the cyclist making this manslaughter.
frsti on
If anything is the cause of this cyclists death it’s the fucking shared path. They suck for everyone and are a horrible compromise based on a lack of courage to just give people who want to cycle a safe place to do so. It’s not just about this cyclist but all the people who don’t cycle because there is no safe place to do it.
r3xomega on
She shoved an old woman off her bike into a busy road, then waddled off like nothing happened, she deserves jail.
3106Throwaway181576 on
Nowadays you can’t even push cyclists under cars and kill them to get sent to prison lol
OkBodybuilder2255 on
I feel like some of this idiots commenting here watched a different video than me. She caused that crash
5ongbird on
Reddit lawyers out in force with hot legal takes. Are you sure that reading a headline gives you a better understanding of the facts of this case and the relevant law than 3 senior judges, who heard arguments from 2 KC-headed legal teams?
Pattoe89 on
There is no justice and due to the British hatred of cyclists there never will be. Fuck this vile and disgusting murderer of a woman and fuck everyone who defends her actions.
craaaigdavid on
So what happens now? Someone dies for doing absolutely nothing wrong and this fucker walks, What about the cyclists family, do they not get any kind of closure at least?
YoureARobotButSoAmI on
This part confused me….
>The senior judge continued: “Had Mrs Ward not died we regard it as inconceivable that the appellant would have been charged with assault.”
If the cyclist was pushed off (which from the video its obvious Ms Grey made contact with the cyclist) and cracked their head of the road and survived. Surely she Ms Grey would’ve still been charged with assault!
Can someone help me wrap my head around this?
ConfusedSoap on
redditors will see “cyclist death” or “cyclist killed” in a headline, then their brain neurons fire up as they assume that everyone else involved conspired to murder the cyclist in cold blood and any lawyer or judge that says otherwise just wants to see more dead cyclists
picskull on
Absolutely wrong decision. They’re using her disabilities to imply that she shouldn’t have been convicted, i mean, does that mean because you have disabilities you are above the law? This woman clearly caused the cyclists death with her behaviour and we’re to believe she shouldn’t serve the sentence fully?
She should never have had her conviction quashed. Insanity, do-gooders again…
Inside_Ad_7162 on
she pretty much shoved him under a fking car, on camera, for no bloody reason.
VooDooBooBooBear on
Absolutely ridiculous. Mental health is used as a get out of jail free card, literally in this case and it happens more often than people realise. Honestly level to actually charge someone who has mental difficulties with a crime let alone convict them is far far to high. Its pretty common knowledge in the care industry that these “vulnerable” adults are untouchable and cause havoc in their local communities but their carers and the police can largely do nothing until a threshold has been met… you would hope that would be killing someone and yet here we are.
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I genuinely don’t understand what more is required to secure a manslaughter conviction here. The cyclist was on a shared use path, cycling legally and this women moved towards her, waving her arm and yelling “Get off the ****ing pavement” causing the cyclist to fall into traffic.
If that’s not enough to qualify as manslaughter then I don’t know what is.
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Has this lady ever expressed any remorse for what she did?
I dunno, I’m as avid a cyclist as you can find and I thought it was unfair that she got time for it. She’s in the middle of the path and the cyclist barely slows down and tries to get around her on the road side on a relatively slim bit of pavement. If you’re going to cycle where people are walking and near a somewhat busy road you need to be prepared to slow down, manoeuvre cautiously to protect others and yourself or at worst, fully stop.
We want cars to look out for us, and so we should look out for people we can endanger too.
During the trial her actions were described as “hostile gesticulation”. That shows what a joke it was.
Good, the whole thing has been massively blown out of proportion. I don’t think the pedestrian behaved spectacularly but I don’t think the cyclist’s death was a foreseeable “consequence”. The cyclist’s ability seemed rather poor. I think a lot of the trial by media was around the pedestrian just walking off, but you can’t take that and say it makes her more or less guilty!
Being mentally disabled doesn’t absolve you of assault and manslaughter ffs
edit: she absolutely committed manslaughter because she assaulted the lady who died
I really wonder whether there was any direct contact from the pedestrian.
The cyclist doesn’t come off the pavement until just after she has passed the pedestrian, you can see the pedestrian’s elbow come back into view as the cyclist passes, and you can see her body twist towards the cyclist.
Unfortunately it’s all ever so slightly out of frame and entirely the wrong angle, but given how the pedestrian has acted, and continues to act, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had shoved the cyclist making this manslaughter.
If anything is the cause of this cyclists death it’s the fucking shared path. They suck for everyone and are a horrible compromise based on a lack of courage to just give people who want to cycle a safe place to do so. It’s not just about this cyclist but all the people who don’t cycle because there is no safe place to do it.
She shoved an old woman off her bike into a busy road, then waddled off like nothing happened, she deserves jail.
Nowadays you can’t even push cyclists under cars and kill them to get sent to prison lol
I feel like some of this idiots commenting here watched a different video than me. She caused that crash
Reddit lawyers out in force with hot legal takes. Are you sure that reading a headline gives you a better understanding of the facts of this case and the relevant law than 3 senior judges, who heard arguments from 2 KC-headed legal teams?
There is no justice and due to the British hatred of cyclists there never will be. Fuck this vile and disgusting murderer of a woman and fuck everyone who defends her actions.
So what happens now? Someone dies for doing absolutely nothing wrong and this fucker walks, What about the cyclists family, do they not get any kind of closure at least?
This part confused me….
>The senior judge continued: “Had Mrs Ward not died we regard it as inconceivable that the appellant would have been charged with assault.”
If the cyclist was pushed off (which from the video its obvious Ms Grey made contact with the cyclist) and cracked their head of the road and survived. Surely she Ms Grey would’ve still been charged with assault!
Can someone help me wrap my head around this?
redditors will see “cyclist death” or “cyclist killed” in a headline, then their brain neurons fire up as they assume that everyone else involved conspired to murder the cyclist in cold blood and any lawyer or judge that says otherwise just wants to see more dead cyclists
Absolutely wrong decision. They’re using her disabilities to imply that she shouldn’t have been convicted, i mean, does that mean because you have disabilities you are above the law? This woman clearly caused the cyclists death with her behaviour and we’re to believe she shouldn’t serve the sentence fully?
She should never have had her conviction quashed. Insanity, do-gooders again…
she pretty much shoved him under a fking car, on camera, for no bloody reason.
Absolutely ridiculous. Mental health is used as a get out of jail free card, literally in this case and it happens more often than people realise. Honestly level to actually charge someone who has mental difficulties with a crime let alone convict them is far far to high. Its pretty common knowledge in the care industry that these “vulnerable” adults are untouchable and cause havoc in their local communities but their carers and the police can largely do nothing until a threshold has been met… you would hope that would be killing someone and yet here we are.
Absolute disgrace.