Die Zahl der Bewerber für den Militärdienst Kanadas steigt rasant. Warum hat das nicht dazu geführt, dass mehr von ihnen Uniform tragen?
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/the-number-of-applicants-to-join-canadas-military-is-soaring-why-hasnt-that-resulted-in/article_83828744-0c81-11ef-be0f-57acf65e1452.html
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Because the number of SUITABLE applicants is dropping
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Because of the slow and inefficient recruiting and training system. If CFRG was a Tim Hortons in downtown Toronto they would struggle sell more than a few cups of coffee a day.
Because we’re not a serious country in some respects.
It’s completely fucking ridiculous.
We spend $26 billion dollars a year on this and we literally can’t hire new people because the administrative process is so completely fucked.
It’s fucking ridiculous.
A serving relative tells me the application process is anywhere from a few months to two years. She also tells me anyone who thought being a cadet in any of the services gives you an advantage is usually wrong. These people are harder to train because their attitude is they’be already done training.
It’s because it’s top heavy, nepo-esque, slog
We have several times more high ranking military officers per capita than the US
Several people I know that applied didn’t even hear back for a close to year, and by then they had gotten a job elsewhere.
Others that joined were quickly disillusioned and ended up leaving because it’s an old boys club where hard work means nothing
And this doesn’t even touch on the shitty pay
Drunkard Liberal Bill Blair weighs in, luckily our fleeting remaining troops are armed with male tampons. It’s so over lmao
Canada is great on rhetoric and promises but weak on delivering actual services, we tax and spend to little effect. The military is a prime example, lots of new ‘plans’, equipment announcements, ‘culture’ changes…but capability is decreasing not increasing.
The bureaucracy and on-boarding process is ridiculously slow and inefficient. Just scrap it and go back to something simpler which used to work.
Military too weak, the govt ups budget, people get mad.
Military needs soldiers, govt changes rules and gets more applicants, people get mad because they aren’t immediately soldiers.
The only constant here is people being mad no matter what happens.
Everything Bill Blair touches turns to shit….. the big question is who will he blame this time?
A lot of newly arrived permanent residents are trying to join, which requires extra vetting of course
Because the issue with recruitment has never been the number of people applying, it’s always been fairly high. It’s keeping those people interested in joining 18-24 months later.
And the experienced (and good) people leaving . To quote an office with a serious rank, ” we are focusing on recruitment, not retention.”
Military recruitment is always countercyclical to economic performance. Essentially if the economy is in the dumps, a steady 75k+ income after two years is pretty fantastic.
Also don’t blame CFRG too much, they’re just the gate. It’s other public services that hold things up. SSC and security clearances are the big one. Honestly, with the amount of PR (such as for NEP) that are probably applying its probably also causing some backlog.
The problem is after, recruitment is always there. It’s the ability to get these people in and working.
It’s definitely a multi-faceted issue with no single solution. First thing that comes to mind is the quality of the applicants. They have to be at least competent and be able to fully understand English for one. IF you’re giving someone access to military hardware and facilities it requires a stringent screening process especially for “permanent residents” which the Canadian government doesn’t have the best track record in. The military has to dedicate enough personnel to process the applications in aa accurate and timely manner. Lets’ not forget the level of pay currently offered and the limited opportunities for advancement. The list goes on…
Or, you can come from a rich family, attend Officer’s School and be guaranteed a career shuffling papers and telling everyone else what to do. Problem is rich folks don’t like sending their kids into dangerous situations; that what poor people are for.
Good. Frankly I don’t think anyone dumb enough to join the military in this day and age should be trusted with weapons and heavy machinery.
There’s a magic cheat code to getting suitable entrants to any field, not just the military, it’s called PAYING THEM MONEY.
Just a thought: I’ve been gone for 25 years now. I’m just curious if the low numbers and long wait times are because there are far fewer people signing up to get into the combat arms trades? I know choosing infantry when I joined fast-tracked your starting day *significantly* compared to other trades, it had always been that way for decades and I see no reason to doubt it’s still the same today but I don’t know for sure.
I’m a dual citizen. Born in America, living in Canada most of my life. I tried joining the Canadian Army. I had 3 interviews and got to the point where I needed a background check. I was told that background check alone would take a year because I was born in a “foreign country”. Kind of a joke. I called a US Army recruiter and he drove 3 hours to meet me 4 minutes from the border within 72 hours and had all the paperwork ready. He was ready for me to sign paperwork and get the process started that day. It was admittedly a bit too fast for me because I wanted to explore other options. I ended up joining the Marine Corps and I have absolutely no regrets. In a branch that famously has a small budget relative to other American branches, it’s still way better funded than the Canadian branches. It makes a big difference in your confidence when you can see an adequate amount of funds and resources being allocated to your training.
All that to say that the Canadian recruitment process is absolutely terrible, so my “home” country “poached” me.
I applied for the reserves, cleared the CFAT, cleared the medical, and did the final interview over a period of ~6 months. I’ve since been ghosted for about 2 months and have moved on from the idea.
People in charge of hiring and this is across the board public and private sector don’t actually know what they are doing. People need jobs so that currency is distributed and we can buy things. We have put huge barriers in front of getting jobs making them more exclusive while at the same time making them undesirable with lower pay. We are trying to maximize profit because we are acting like we are at the end of history. To sum it up we have too much power in too few of hands. We have an abundance of resources what refuse to distribute because of profit motive. Essentially the profit motive of our economy killed any form of cooperative cohesive we had within society and now society is breaking down because we don’t trust anymore. Civilization is built on trust and our capitalist overlords have betrayed and destroyed that trust
We can’t equip or train them because the pace of operations is unsustainable…
I know multiple people that joined and left two+ years later because they were still sweeping floors in Borden waiting for training. It’s a joke.
CAF are a joke. Someone close to me jumped through hoops for years to obtain a physics degree then joined the Air Force to be trained as a fighter pilot. Covid hit, and he spent 2 years stuck on base learning French for 8 hours a day. 80% of his class quit. There was no one to teach these guys anything to get to the next level of training. It was so slow moving and depressing. From what he told me, a lot of the instructors worked part-time flying commercial airlines to make enough money bc Air Force paid like crap lol
I applied and they took over a year to process my application. I passed every evaluation and test. I eventually moved on with my life because they are just so slow. No one is going to wait over a year for a job offer.
Beacuse if you don’t pass the psychology exam or health exam your not geting in.
I always knew government bureaucrats were generally the most shit workers, with super protected jobs and belief that process matters more than actually getting things done. Then we saw the Julie Payette Governor General fiasco where she was fired because she, holy shit, thought they should actually be productive and told them that in a way the real world does. They felt so pressured, oh my. But maybe, just maybe Julie Payette was being a little too harsh. Then I did a four month contract with the Canadian Federal Government and told my boss 2 months in I wouldn’t be renewing even if he asked. They are the most worthless, lack of production hold things up for the stupidest reason bunch of people I have ever worked with. I literally saw a twenty line memo held up for two weeks for meetings on wordsmithing it in English and then French. Any other place and it would have been written and sent in ten minutes. And all the duplicated effort in French as well as English (we need to be monolingual English to save so much time and billions in dollars). If there are any number of issues with the recruitment process, I would bet cash money the majority of the blame is the bureaucrats and a wall of red tape, procedures, and dogmatic process, almost all I’d bet is unnecessary. I bet more would get done in Ottawa if we fired them all and hired and trained people willing to work, not using the existing people to train them to avoid repeating mistakes. Even with the disruption I’d bet the ten year achievement after all is said and done would be miles ahead of the current batch staying for ten years. /rant I think Ottawa bureaucrats are useless.
I have a coworker that just moved to our dept, Told us he applied and was accepted but has been waiting 2 years now.
Its been so long that they have come back to him to schedule a new physical in case anything has changed.
Bare in mind this is water cooler gossip but.
Because training is expensive and it takes time is probably one reason.