Das ist eine Art Schimpftirade. Ich lebe in einer kleinen Bergstadt und kümmere mich um die Instandhaltung der Wanderwege. Bis vor 3-4 Jahren bedeutete dies meist das Zurückschneiden von Büschen, das Entfernen umgestürzter Bäume usw. Dann waren wir dabei "ermutigt" vom Kanton, einen Teil der Wanderwege als Biketrails auszuweisen.
Wanderer verdichten den Boden. Sie können sehen, wohin sie gegangen sind. Fahrräder? Fahrräder reißen den Boden auf, Regen spült den aufgelockerten Boden weg und am Ende entstehen Spurrillen. Es ist ein Chaos. Und der lose Kies und die Steine machen die Wege für normale Wanderer gefährlich.
Ich würde mir wünschen, dass das Radfahren auf Forststraßen beschränkt und auf Wegen komplett verboten wäre.
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Von Waltekin
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Why can’t you designate forestry roads for bikes? I would understand a rule, which states you can bike only on trails which are wide enough for 1 bike + 1 person (1.5m?)
Strong agree
It’s getting worse and worse as more people seem to be getting into it.
Bikers wear deep groves into the tracks, which fill with water, so bikers go around the water and create more groves around the side and so it goes on until you have giant muddy puddles all over the hiking area.
On any slopes with corners (like in your pic) the gravel and soil all gets pushed downhill as the bikes are breaking.
> I would like to see bikes restricted to the forestry roads, and completely prohibited from trails.
100% agree.
The circle of hate comes around.
Car Hates VELO, VELO hates car, hiker hates VELO, pedestrian hates OV, ÖV hates everyone. 😂🤷🏻♀️
Car → 🚫 VELO → 🚫 Car
Hiker → 🚫 VELO
Pedestrian → 🚫 ÖV
ÖV → 🚫 Everyone
It works in many areas to have hiking trails and biking trails separated. I love doing both activities, and then everybody’s happy.
The biking trails are never maintained and don’t need to be.
The trails that are forced to be shared by MTB and hikers are absurd: annoying for both to have to pass next to a biker/hiker on a 30cm large path…
What’s wrong with this trail, can’t you walk past it with good hiking shoes ?
As a hiker I hate that this is allowed.
Get rid of the bike trail designation if you can. I don’t bike but I use Swiss Mobility to find trails in areas I’m not familiar with. Without the designation you’ll get less people from further away.
Having downhill bikes and hiker on this path is insane anyway.
And apart from the destruction they cause they are also a danger on the trails. Many go too fast with total disregard for hikers. They are a plague on trails!!
hiking trails destroy nature. I think they should be banned.
Bikers are the teenagers of the road: They want all the respect and freedom with none of the responsibility.
First I thought „why are you so pissed?“ but then I read your description and yeah.
I get it now. I hope you can get the bike trail removed.
Thanks for bringing it up with pictures.
As a Biker I still think this is a very valid sport and source of income for mountains so the good old “forbid everything” swiss way hurts everyone.
Why not separate bike from hiking trails?
Just keep them separate or the cantons should invest more money in the maintenance of the trails…
long live mountainbikers, just step aside and keep maintaining the trail.
Don’t allow e-bikes, then 90% of the bikes will disappear.
Electric bikes are making the situation worse, as now anyone, regardless of their physical condition, can use these trails. I have never seen so many electric bikes on the trails as I have this year.
Always fun to see the physical shape of “bikers” nowadays. Full of 60yo with tattoos and beer bellies in Verbier. I wonder how often one has to actually touch the pedals on those silent motorbikes.
Ski resorts are desperate. This will never replace skiing and IMO is just a scheme to show banker how their ski lifts won’t actually get bankrupt in 10 years 🙂
Move to Zug (whole canton) where recently they voted to ban bikes from all foot-paths (apart from a very small official bike network).
> I would like to see bikes restricted to the forestry roads, and completely prohibited from trails.
How about creating separate trails for bikes and hikers?
As we get less and less snow, biking will be an increasing part of mountain tourism. No one would suggest winter hikers and skiers share the same piste, but no one would say “lets ban skiing”.
So why does it have to be “ban bikes” when it could be “embrace bikes and build them separate trails”?
As a MTB rider, I agree. Dedicated trails for hiking and biking with clear sinage and separation. Forcing them together doesn’t work and just leads to an „us vs them“ situation where everyone loses.
I support my local MTB community and trail builders and the number 1 complaint I hear from people around me is about shared use. Shared use trails aren’t really fun to ride (no steep berms, no real jumps alongside no real tech either). The best way to get bikers away from hiking trails is to create fun MTB only trails that they can stick to. Look at the region around Thun with the bikepark Thunersee for example. This also means that hikers need to stay off of MTB specific tracks, walking up a downhill trail neeslesly endagers both hikers and bikers.
Why not ban life itself?
The problem is specifically downhill cycling, for which designated trails are needed. Having a shared trail is the issue, not necessarily having downhill cyclists at all. The downhill cyclists need their own trail that isn’t intended for hiking, e.g., a downhill park with multiple runs, similar to a ski slope.
> Then we were „encouraged“ by the canton to designate some of the hiking trails as bike trails.
So are they multi-use or just biking trails? Is there a local bike organization? In Zurich there is for example Züritrails, and they take care of some of the bike-specific trails. Let the local bike organization do the maintenance work.
As a biker, I hate riding on hiking trails because I have to always be paranoid about some dog popping out of nowhere.
As a hiker, I hate hiking on trails where there may be bikers, because I never know if I will get mowed down.
It sucks for everoyne.
The best solution is to have designated trails for each. Then it’s more fun for everyone. Many areas in Switzerland have separate trails. I once heard that west-CH is less open to bike riders, so they try to block it altogether, and that leads to the stuff you’re talking about (though IDK where this picture was taken). I feel like in East-CH there are many bike-friendly areas, and it’s just better for everoyne.